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i'm gonna find '77 live and throw it on again.

i think people have overintellectualized responses to this band, i really do. if it was just a tape of your brother-in-law's pick-up band you'd probably toss it in the bin (but discreetly, so as not to offend the brother-in-law). i will, however, give les rallizes denudes another chance just so i'm not guilty of condeming something without trying to understand it first.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

um, I don't think we are overintellectualizing anything (or at least i don't intend to). Its well executed at times and not so well at others.

When its done well, its exceptional.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

I never heard a blues musician emit the ear-splitting freedelic onslaught that Mizutani was capable of & often pulled off with such panache. Leigh Stephens from Blue Cheer came close, but even his most 'out' venture ('Out of Focus') didn't quite get there. And he & Mizutani were contemporaries. Lou Reed's offerings on 'I Heard Her Call My Name' and the live versions of 'What Goes On' are more in the ballpark, but I've never heard a blues player go that far out. And this didn't require a lot of thought, of overintellectualisation is not a factor. It was more of a gut reaction.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
while i enjoy rallizes a lot [my girlfriend's dad turned me on to them on a visit to japan a few years ago—he actually knows some of their "associates" or at least fixed their motorcycles—total speed freaks! one guy's tooth came out eating a cookie] but i don't really hear a connection to blue cheer or the velvet underground—if anything they're like crazy horse. speaking of which, has anyone read "shakey"? there's a part in there where they're playing a show in japan and frank and billy are on acid and frank talks about how every time he touches his guitar rainbows come out of it—neil even leans over and comments on the night's overy psych feel. does anyone have a tape of this? was mizutani there?

libbey adams, Friday, 13 June 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

''[my girlfriend's dad turned me on to them on a visit to japan a few years ago—he actually knows some of their "associates" or at least fixed their motorcycles—total speed freaks! one guy's tooth came out eating a cookie]''

heh.

funny you should mention neil young bcz just on wednesday i got hold of the 'red' and 'green' CDRs and I got reminded of Neil Young (guitars not as distorted as live 77, basically comes down to that). I think the blue cheer connection come from the use of distortion whereas the velvets comes from the use of repeating basslines and drum patterns.

but yeah, its a lot of things.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

The VU connection also comes from the uncontrolled fuzz & feedback blasts that can hit you with grenade-like force. I can certainly see the Crazy Horse comparisons too, especially on things like 'Shots' from 'Reactor' and the live recordings dating back to 'Live Rust'. The Rallizes 'High or Die' bootleg is out & about again & is a gem. Hiroshi Nar, former Rallizes member, has released some stuff as well.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
Up-Tight has released at least 2 things. Spoonful has released at least one. These are Rallizes spin-offs. The SPoonful thing is really good, with a vaguely Deep-Purple-gone-garage sort of vibe. Haven't listened to the Up-Tight things yet.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:37 (twenty years ago) link

Rallizes: historically important, but little else. If they were to actually allow a legit, easily accessible and affordable rerelease of their catalogue - and everyone from PSF to dodgy American psych labels has tried to get them to allow it - I think that their reputation was sink immediately. Certainly they know this; their mystique remains intact precisely because anoraks go overboard buying up CD-Rs for $40 on ebay!

I like Rallizes but think it's decidedly minor work. Fushitsusha or Kosukuya they ain't.

Kjoerup, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link

oh, hush.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

If they allowed cheap-ish CDs their 'reputation' would be on the way up: a few bands would try to ape that sound, but whether they would be successful in doing so is another matter.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmmm, I think you two are just feeling a bit defensive 'cause you bought $40 CD-Rs ...

I have a legit 'Live 77' cd. I'll be happy to let it go for, oh, $400.

Kjoerup, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...
No, not feeling defensive. Perhaps you are feeling a bit smug because you didn't buy the CDRs due to the fact that you don't 'get it.' Its cool. I don't 'get' Minimikoto.

Watch for Les Rallizes Denudes & Yellow - Sessions at Fussa double disc. Also, I wasn't aware until recently that there were 2 Doyle/Mizutani trio shows recorded... Hiroshi Nar has been releasing a ton of stuff, including a live thing with Nishinihon.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The Up-Tight record is grebt. Is this really a spinoff? I thought it was some other band altogether who just enjoyed Les Rallizes.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Hiroshi Nar is in Up-Tight, and he was in Rallizes.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Is this (still) true? I saw Up-Tight at the last Instal fest. None of them seemed old enough to have been in Rallizes, though I could be mistaken: Big shades and mops all round!

Soukesian, Monday, 27 March 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Rallizes on youtube here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBXLh-v_II&search=rallizes%20denudes

Seems to be some sort of Japanese TV arts show retrospective segment. Any Japanese speakers out there able to clue us in on who is being interviewed and what they have to say?

Soukesian (Soukesian), Friday, 16 June 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

Dug out 77 live for the first time in a while here. Yup, still great.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 September 2009 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

milton's link above is dead--i wonder what it was that got him angry?

ian, Monday, 7 September 2009 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

probably typical VT price gouging and/or hyperbole.

sleeve, Monday, 7 September 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I should spend some time with 77 live today.

Trip Maker, Monday, 7 September 2009 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

perversely my favourite rallizes song is the acoustic kioku ha toi which i find myself humming on the regular. Tho sometimes Enter the Mirror, the Last One or Night of the Assassins takes its place.

BIG jock KNEW aka the steindriver (jim), Monday, 7 September 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

In the past month I realized LRD are one of the best bands I've ever heard, just from the '77 Live album, which gets ten times better each time I hear it (especially on drugs). They have a few other releases floatin around too, like Yoda Go-A-Go-Go, which kicks fucking ass!!

falc0n2600, Monday, 7 September 2009 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Still one of my all-time favorites

Soukesian, Monday, 7 September 2009 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Live 77 is indeed a classic. A pity that none of their other releases matches it.

Duke, Monday, 7 September 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Here's a quick blast of that, from youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HidM7vrL37E

Soukesian, Monday, 7 September 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

At least I'm pretty certain it's from that disc, cut to film for wherever. Like to think it gives a feel for what it might have been like to be upfront. But LOUD LOUD LOUD and endless.

Soukesian, Monday, 7 September 2009 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

great band

Lord Crutsos Omicron (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 7 September 2009 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I notice from this month's Wire that Phoenix records (whoever they may be) have (re)issued 'digitally remastered' editions of "Heavier Than A Death In The Family" and "Blind Baby Has Its Mother's Eyes". Limited to 1000 CDs each, and LPs are apparently forthcoming:

http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/shop/search.php?search=Les+Rallizes+Denudes

Duke, Friday, 16 July 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

My copy of Heavier Than A Death In The Family doesn't play on any CD player known to man, so beware...

A prog venn diagram for you to think about (Matt #2), Friday, 16 July 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Phoenix = Radioactive Records

So I wouldn't believe that it's really remastered in any significant way.

Pants Perdu (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 17 July 2010 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link

heavier than a death is so fucking great, would love to own an actual copy, even on pheonix/radioactive

my copy of satori is on radioactive

good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Saturday, 17 July 2010 09:26 (thirteen years ago) link

heavier than a death is so fucking great, would love to own an actual copy, even on phoenix/radioactive

this sums it up. might wait for the vinyl

Duke, Saturday, 17 July 2010 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Ah if I'd known it was Radioactive I would've thought twice...can't imagine the vinyl pressings being great either.

Info on this guy : http://www.yogarecords.com/press/radioactive.html

A prog venn diagram for you to think about (Matt #2), Saturday, 17 July 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Do those records *need* remastering in any significant way?!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 July 2010 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link

needledropping is a kind of remastering

good news if you wear cargo shorts (contenderizer), Saturday, 17 July 2010 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link

also didn't realise that Phoenix = Radioactive. if so, i wld say they've improved the quality of their product - i've got their reish of the Improvisation Sep. 1975 alb by Ichiyanagi/Kosugi/Ranta and it looks & sounds great.

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 17 July 2010 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link

man fuck James Plummer and whatever scam label he's running now.

plz read that link above if any of y'all are seriously considering buying these.

bug holocaust (sleeve), Saturday, 17 July 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

bought dreaded phoenix copies of heavier than a death in the family and blind baby has its mother's eyes today, with significant regret. but there is no way that i'm otherwise gonna get my hands on "real copies," and no way that anyone's making significant scratch off limited runs of obscure shit like this, nice vinyl and decent packaging at high-but-not-obscene prices. it's not undercutting any legit market that i can see; alls it's doing is removing some of the geek cache associated with the rarity. and for me, it's functionally valid. i mean like i have all these tunes on my ipod, but they don't fucking work there. i basically only use my ipod for shuffling and to get familiar with poppy new stuff. i don't want some blone out 20-minute drug drone reverb epic to come on when i'm biking to work. it's unsuitable. i want to listen to this shit when i'm bonding w/ the couch and reading comix in ur wee wee hours, and that's the point at which i'm spinning vinyl. vinyl is appropriate in this case wr2 my ancient mariner lifestyle patterning.

and i'm just making excuses, i know, but i don't see what the real harm is. like same with FTB's satori. it sucks that my radioactive copy is pirate bullshit, but it was fucking hard to find otherwise. i can't imagine that anyone got rich off jacking it, but lots of people got turned on, and that's all to the good, afaic. still thinking of picking up that german oak.

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 06:06 (thirteen years ago) link

"people can choose" atm, !!!

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:55 (thirteen years ago) link

still thinking of picking up that german oak.

Read this as "Listening to rallizes has made me so strong, I think I might pick up that tree over there!"

Mark G, Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link

it's true, i did. my palms are now all sticky with the teutonic sap.

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I need to mention that there have been a number of issues/re-issues of Les Rallizes Denudes stuff on the rather amazing Univive label. These are either newly discovered tapes or nicely cleaned up. They're really expensive multi-disc jobs w/ nice packaging & the whole works. They're also floating around on the p2p sites. Rumor has it that Mizutani may be involved in some way with this label, at the very least bestowing at least somewhat legit status on them. I understand that they are CDs, not CDRs. Some titles:

Mars Studio 1980

Laid Down '76

Double Heads

Black Rainbow

Double Heads 6CD Limited edition

Laid Down'76 again

One More Night Tripper

Cradle Saloon78

Great White Wonder

Wild Trips

Wild Trip In the West

I would also like to amend my earlier comments on my olde screen name re. the most intense guitar freakblast. It is in fact France Demo Tape, not Wild Party 1975. Let me just say: Holy f#%king shit!! My joy at having discovered this gem is somewhat dimmed by the realization that my quest for the ultimate gnarly skronkblast tsunami had perhaps ended. It grabs your head and makes a brain smoothie. Its a paint-peeling, wallpaper-yellowing, houseplant-killing, pet-epilepsy-inducing bundle of joy. If it were to take human form, just one of its sperm could wipe a badger's ass with Chuck Norris's nutsack. It could wad Chuck Norris into a ball & shoot him into low orbit with a slingshot fashioned from ox femurs & wolverine hymen.

ImprovSpirit, Thursday, 2 September 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link

@contenderizer: Very few of the Rallizes records were ever released "officially" in the first place. One discog I looked at listed only Live '77, their side of Oz Days, and the 7"EP as being official. That's 3 out of a zillion CDs & LPs that are in circulation! I'm not sure how accurate that is, whether "official" means self-released or what. I'm just pretty excited to have some of them, myself... :-)

ImprovSpirit, Thursday, 2 September 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

also recommend Tachikawa December 17th 1976. Not sure what label its on. Good show, good sound.

ImprovSpirit, Friday, 3 September 2010 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Very few of the Rallizes records were ever released "officially" in the first place. One discog I looked at listed only Live '77, their side of Oz Days, and the 7"EP as being official. [...] I'm just pretty excited to have some of them, myself... :-)

yeah, that's how i feel. there's clearly a demand, so someone might as well meet it. hell, i've read that only live 77 and the single are really/truly official. who knows?

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link

will definitely try & DL the france demo you mention. haven't heard it, sounds amazing.

a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i didn't 'rallizes' before that improvspirit was john b from oz days gone by...

any clues where i might find a dload of the france demo?

Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 September 2010 07:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I think buying these versions of Les Rallizes stuff is not too objectionable. Pretty much the entire Rallizes catalog is bootleg and it was tolerated even before the digital file swapping era. On the other hand, stuff like the Flower Travellin' Band material being bootlegged/pirated is really bad news. Phoenix seems to be taking some of their cues from the Japrocksampler material. A few years after Krautrocksampler a lot of legit reissues of rare German records started showing up on various labels, to everyone's benefit. Would there have been the Kraftwerk re-masters or the Neu! box set without the interest generated by this book and other artists and writers turning people on to the stuff at the same time? I sincerely doubt it. One of the worst consequences of pirate operations like Phoenix is that they basically destroy any chance of a legit, licensed, decent-sounding official reissue by sucking up all the demand with their BS needledrop bootlegs. I'm appalled that Forced Exposure carries Phoenix's stuff. Anyone ever inquire about that? Sorry for the derail, this has been on my mind a lot lately...

FRESH MEAT (MFB), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link

"i can't imagine that anyone got rich off jacking it"

the guy sells to distros and stores ALL OVER THE WORLD. he's making money. i actually did bring this up to someone at FE. cuz i reviewed the search party album in my column and told people NOT to buy the cd but instead download it illegally until someone put out a legit one. i didn't get the cd from them, but they sell it. same guy who does radioactive/fallout has the xian psych label. i wish that FE would stop selling that stuff, but what am i gonna do.

scott seward, Friday, 3 September 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link


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