steve hoffman forums, C or D?

haha... this one's great as well:

I've done it, I've asked them about old school acts and most of them have never even heard of them. Acts that most of us would instantly know, they haven't a clue.

For example...
Bad Company
Foghat
Grand Funk
Sly And The Family Stone
Rare Earth
Edgar Winter

Most of my students, have never even heard of these acts? Now when I let them hear a song or two, some of them may say yeah I've heard that song but I never knew who it was.

This is one of the reasons I started exposing them to Paul McCartney. I just felt they should know who the greatest songwriter is!

maccafan, Today at 2:46 PM

Hehehehe... posted that one above, niels... the image of some teacher internally flipping out because his students don't know who Rare Earth are in 2017 is utterly priceless.

haha lol I see! but yeah, great stuff

It's like a Room Full of Lefsetz

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classic and dud... I got banned pretty quick for linking an article that denigrated the forum/Hoffman etc. On the surface, it feels like MOJO magazine BBS, with a bunch of curmudgeonly middle-aged men flossing their tech "knowledge," more concern for audio quality, x pressing of Sea Change, etc. than actual music. But it goes beyond that, there's some decent, in-depth Grateful Dead discussion, general classical and jazz talk etc. - it's useful to an extent. Judging by some posts, it's as if some people regard the site as some holy grail of music and -related information. Maybe it's just a generally less 'hip' demographic than ILX, I don't know.

I like all the same music as those dudes, but I don't want to talk about it with them. Perhaps out of fear that I secretly am one of them. They are definitely a valuable resource if/when I'm deciding which reissue of an album I should buy, though. (That's where I heard about the Japanese super deluxe expanded edition of Santana's Lotus which will shortly be on its way to me.)

it's probably a really good place to learn more about foghat

i hope he's not an english teacher. xxxxxxxxp

They are definitely a valuable resource if/when I'm deciding which reissue of an album I should buy, though.

Or which old pressing if you're a record collector.

it's probably a really good place to learn more about foghat

There are some interesting posters who seem to have been active on the late, lamented Velvet Rope forums, which were designed to have discussions among people in the recording and broadcasting industries. I have discovered a number of overlooked 80's/90's and prog bands through member recommendations, too

it's true, they do have a lot of information about old pressings etc., at least when they don't include Hoffman masters. Then you have to sift through the moderator-enforced hagiography to figure out which of the options is best.

I've been enjoying the Fall album-by-album thread on SHF.

Link pls?

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-fall-album-by-album-by-single-by-cassette-thread.485363/

It's a normal thread, no lols to be had from confused interlopers.

Of course the variations in quality between different cd editions of fall albums are some of the hugest of any artist ever so hoffman forum kind of a logical place for a thread like that

yeah hoffman boards what a bunch of losers just debating old led zeppelin albums and beatles remasters...oh wait

http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t389/TheEst/Reviews/the-servant-dirk-bogarde-james-fox.jpg:original

Damn straight, I just discovered Steve Hoffmann forums and wish I hadn't started up here. They may not be quite as smart but they aren't broken creeps like the swine on ILM. I tried for 20 years with positive and encouraging comments, got a lot of attitude in return. See y'all later

― Iago Galdston, Sunday, April 2, 2017 5:33 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha, I still flit through those forums. but I got over my 'must have best digital pressing of anything' tendencies very very quickly. It is useful for finding out information on vinyl pressings though.

steve hoffman's mastering on the whole (that I've heard) is really good though. it's worth going to piratebay and finding the leaked (by himself) mastering he did of All Things Must Pass that wound up not getting released.

he did the best edition of Raiders of the Lost Ark for those who care.

...and Steve and his minions will tell you his work is the very best. The. Very. Best.

There's a hilarious Hoffman hater board. Just read this thread and howl: http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6167

that's a pretty funny site, although, I can't see myself being so worked up about this guy and his message board that it warrants an entirely new board to mock it

It is useful for finding out information on vinyl pressings though.

Can I just say - extremely useful. Sometimes the only place on the internet for information.

yeah hoffman boards what a bunch of losers just debating old led zeppelin albums and beatles remasters...oh wait

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, April 17, 2017 4:22 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You'd have a point if almost every thread on the front page of ILM was a Beatles thread, with such incredible topics as "what colour socks did Ringo wear when recording 'Tomorrow Never Knows'" or "what brand of condom did Paul set fire to in Hamburg?"

any truth to the story that All Things Must Pass had *re-recorded* guitar parts etc on the CD issued in 2001? admittedly i only ever read this tale on the forums in question.

i actually like nothing better than discussing classic rock minutiae with you fine folks and i've def found some good info on the hoffman boards
not the greatest discussions always but sometimes some real old school head type engineer dude will drop some science and shit and that's cool

does tape op have boards? i should check those out

In fact, I'm of the impression that Ken Scott (yes, he who worked with The Beatles) used to post at the retirement home but got pissed off with it eventually, calling the host a "jumped up cutting engineer" ... Ouch.

Bob Ezrin taking the Hoff to task over his work on Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies was also pretty hilarious.

I'm not sure if there are re-recorded guitar parts on that reissue. it's not the best sounding reissue though. but that's also not the best sounding album in any version.

"Bob Ezrin taking the Hoff to task over his work on Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies was also pretty hilarious."

where was that?

any truth to the story that All Things Must Pass had *re-recorded* guitar parts etc on the CD issued in 2001? admittedly i only ever read this tale on the forums in question.

― piscesx, Monday, April 17, 2017 9:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, it's a load of bollocks. There was some overdubbing on 'I Live For You', which was recorded at the sessions but unfinished, so it was brought up to scratch and put out as a bonus track.

"jumped up cutting engineer" ... Ouch.

#ethered

xxxpost:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/adventures-in-mastering-alice-cooper-billion-dollar-babies-for-audio-fidelity.334492/page-3

holy shit that's amazing

xp ahh gotcha, makes sense. i still love ATMP's production, especially on What Is Life and Awaiting On You All; that hazy, blurry chaotic racket.

i think the one thing that is really unforgivable is that he sold his own CDrs of his remaster work for All things Must Pass to the highest bidder (also, some other unreleased mastering jobs) in order to keep his site going. But he prohibits discussion or links to bootlegs on the site (actually that seems to have been loosened up quite a bit lately). I mean, he essentially personally profited off a bootlegged master and leaked that into the pirate market.

if you ask about that on the site your message gets swifly deleted

See also: the Buddy Holly/The Picks saga.

As detailed here:

http://www.houstonpress.com/music/bone-to-pick-6567653

the concept of a forum moderated and owned by a very opinionated opinionated poster who dislikes dissent is... not appealing

as anyone who's ever visited the byrnerobotics.com forums can attest

that buddy holly story is fucking weird.

Enjoying this one a lot right now. http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6703
I was checking out the Hoffman board for years before discovering Stereo Central, like an amazing payoff to a joke which had been going on for a ridiculous length of time.

a lot of the excesses are genuinely amusing but jesus there's some depressing shit in there too -- here's the Hoff on "aspirations":

You certainly are free to enjoy my masterings on a boombox or a Pioneer receiver and some beat up BIC speakers from 1975 but to not even strive to save to get something better eventually, that's just denial. The goal is to enjoy your music on the best system you can, no matter your price range or salary bracket. If that means eating out of a few cans and skipping Starbucks on the way to work for a few months, so be it. Get it done.

here he is later, from the above linked Billion Dollar Babies thread, lamenting being told to cease and desist making those threads detailing his work on the Audio Fidelity remasters:

Eh, no big deal, I talk too much anyway. No one in charge really likes me blabbing about mastering experiences (no record company suits, legal, etc.) so maybe it's for the best.

For me it's like a stress release after a big project, to talk about it to people who might care. Otherwise it just ends cold turkey and I sometimes go into a tailspin.

all of this can be yours etc

I'm just more amazed at how busy that place is!

You look at page one, and the last thread on the page is, what, (just looked) 36 minutes old wrt last message?

Audiophiles be Audiophillin'

You know it goes a lot deeper than that. Steve hasn’t set up this forum to have smart asses correct him. It’s also not your job to invite engineers to our site to be questioned like a jury. A PM to get a gort to send a formal invitation would have been more appropriate.

'gort'?

http://www.jeffbots.com/gort.jpg

yup, that's what they call mods

maybe for ilx

More to the point, how was this announced back in May and I never heard about it? It's sold out now, of course. oh well.

12k + posts over 485 pages

Without reading the thread, I predict:

33% are "I placed my order, can't wait"
33% are "I got an email saying it was delayed, what the hell"
33% are "Got this in the mail today, will listen and report back"

oh, yeah, bungled that. 485 pages, not posts. A lot of the time there will be a totally separate thread for shipping gripes lol

Halfway, I think that's mostly correct, but you are forgetting the 10% that is a fight about the stupidest bit of Beatles minutia, the 5% that is people complaining about another Beatles thread and the 2% that is someone complaining that the hype sticker is 3 millimeters off, thus ruining the entire listening experience.

They dig The Fall, so cool.

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