Suede

There's something very alien in the whole thing (structures, sounds/production, lyrics...) whereas the following records are more "classic".

I totally agree, even though "Coming Up" is a more polished version of the debut, the latter is brash and exhilarating in ways that their more controlled follow-up albums can't touch.

hey anti-Moving brigade, check these versions!

BBC session! (a year before the album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHiQbp93rzg

Brixton 94!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fd0zLi4in8

oh I'm not anti-Moving at all (actually I don't think there's a single song I really dislike from the Butler era. except maybe "The Power").
I simply think it's not as good as some of their b-sides of the time and could have been replaced advantageously on the album by one of those !

All this revisionist stuff about placing B-sides on Suede and Dog Man Star is pointless, IMO... the first disc of Sci-Fi Lullabies exists, so it's not like anyone lost out. I wouldn't change a thing about any of those records.

Well, I never said "Moving" or "Animal Lover" HAD to be removed (since I said I loved the album as it is, with its imperfections).
The question was whether these tracks were as strong as the rest of the album : I don't think so, some think so.
No problem !

Speaking of "Sci-Fi", I wonder why "Painted People" was the only b-side rejected...

It wasn't! There's a couple of others that didn't make it on there from both eras.

Ah I don't really know the post Butler era b-sides... It seemed unfair since it's a pretty good early Suede track !

'Dolly' and 'This World Needs a Father' ... both Butler-era, both not on Sci-Fi Lullabies

Moving is great. I like how it borrows heavily from XTC's Generals & Majors for the chorus. Animal Lover is easily the weakest song on there.

'Dolly' and 'This World Needs a Father' ... both Butler-era, both not on Sci-Fi Lullabies

― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican)

Asda Town as well. That and This World Needs a Father should have been on there.

Ah never noticed for "Dolly" and "this World" ! Maybe because I had the singles...

'This World Needs a Father' in particular is really underrated, I think.

Ah for me it would be "whipsnade". One of their absolute finest moments afaic.

At least they've been known to play 'Whipsnade' live, I'm not sure 'This World Needs a Father' ever has.

Well, I like "This World" and it has something immediate and catchy but I don't know, there's also something second rate in both the songwriting and production.
It's catchy and simple like a single but sounds and lacks depth like a b-side !
It doesn't really make sense, does it ?

Love the first album, parts of the second (especially the b-sides) and "Trash" - the rest I don't care about much.

Suede were important to me when they first came on the scene because their sleazy sex glam was an epiphany to me about what I didn't like about Grunge. I was a kid raised on images of Duran Duran so it took me a while before I realized, oh yeah, Mother Love Bone is pretty much the opposite of what I have learned to think was exciting. Suede emerged in all of that boring overcast Grunge bullshit and it was like, "OH YEAH, SEX!"

Fast forward a couple of years and my time with Suede was pretty much over. My divorce from their music was accelerated when I started dating this (American) girl who was obsessed with Britpop at the time who would put on the second Suede album and tell me things like "You see, the Asphalt World is really a clever play on words meaning the Ass Felt world." *farts*

Wait - are you people kidding, or are you mad? Animal Lover is by far my favorite song on this almost flawless album. It is a swirling ball of thrilling glam guitars, filthy lyrics, pummeling momentum and a glorious ending. The pause at 2:57 followed by that majestic chord strum is one of the most thrilling moments in all of music for me. When I'm listening to Animal Lover I can't imagine how any song could be better. I never tire of it. Thank God for Animal Lover, I don't know how I would manage to endure this otherwise hellish existence without it. Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Brett's book's good. Crazy short mind.

Man, "Trash" is such a classic

Very good Ed Buller piece which i'm sure has been posted on Suede threads. Some fascinating stuff in here

https://www.repeatfanzine.co.uk/interviews/ed%20buller.htm

“Trash is the only thing in the entire history of working with Brett, I think (pausing) I don’t know, you’d have to ask him. But I would say that Trash is the only thing that he’s still cross with me about. Everything else, if it didn’t turn out right, he forgave me, because enough turned out well that he was really happy with. If you listen to Trash on the 2003 Singles compilation, he actually re-recorded the vocals!”

Sometimes the debut is the only music I can listen to these days

Or rather, the only music that I'm compelled to hear. It happens every few months

great stuff in that Buller interview indeed

Whereas on Daddy’s Speeding, he just got this weird thing in his head where he wanted the word speeding to sound like schhhpeeding (laughing), so it sounded like a car. He kept saying, “Does it sound like a car Ed?” And I was like (laughing), “Yes, it sounds like a car Brett – a big silver car going very, very fast!”

the questions are hilarious though

10.Do you have a favourite opening and closing album track + a favourite song intro, middle-section and outro?

Great interview.

When we started to do vocals, one of the agreements was that we wouldn’t use so many reverbs, we’d just use little delays. That obviously just started to go out of the window, because Brett can’t stand his voice being dry – he can’t stand it! He has to have lots of effects.

This explains a lot.

New album, The Blue Hour, out September 21! Produced by Alan Moulder. Had no idea they were in the studio again but very pleased to hear they are.

http://thequietus.com/articles/24495-suede-blue-hour-album

Anderson was hinting at greater ambition. We'll see. Exciting though!

Holy shit! Excellent news... their last two albums were fucking awesome.

Hmm, I love Moulder but dunno if he's a good fit for the group. I guess it depends on what they are going for.

Could be a pretentious mess but they seems to have had a hold on things since the reunion, so I'm up for this this

I'm hoping for a pretentious mess tbh

They've been talking up making one since the last one. I'm just hoping it isn't too comically 'out there', in a Suede way.

Really enjoyed Night Thoughts, but it's going to take a lot to forget the awful Eastenders-dressed-up-as-Derek-Jarman movie that accompanied it for the two live album performances I saw

spoken word :/

xps No-one manages to pulls off pretentious mess like Suede.

yeah that film, jesus.

Also no-one manages to unnecessarily pluralise a word like me...

I will listen to this, but their two recent albums have absolutely fitted into the genre of bombastic indie rock, and nothing more, a big turn-off for me. I've seen them play live for both (including that film), and when they play older songs it is as exciting as in the old days. I keep hoping that through playing them, they will manage to recapture some of that. Or something weirder! That preview video sounds pretty good, but on the album that's probably just gonna be a transition between two solid indie tunes.

Dismissing anything by Suede as bombastic ... I mean, is there literally anything by this (awesome) band that can be described as subtle?

The Living Dead / My Dark Star Sleeping Pills / By the Sea etc

Anyway, the adjective goes with the noun, and I don't think they recorded anything that could be described as bombastic indie rock prior to their reforming.

The parts of Dog Man Star that I guess might be called bombastic (not by me) are certainly not indie rock.

idk the recent albums sounds like Suede to me, albeit a touch more streamlined than their peak-era stuff. I listen to quite a bit of indie rock and can't think of any recent bands that sound much like 'em in any era. (and "The Living Dead" might be quiet but it's anything but subtle)

I Don't Know How To Reach You might be bombastic but it's as good as indie gets

What do we reckon? Very much takes off where Night Thoughts left off, which is no bad thing. Clearly not a 'single' in the traditional sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqzvcj0-kF4

I thought that was Rose McGowen for a few seconds. Anyway, it's good but yeah, very "album track."

Not too surprised they've picked a slow burner, non-single single to kick off with, considering how they are talking up this new album.

Predictably, I love it. I've really been enjoying what Suede have been getting up to since they reformed.

it's a beaut. If only they'd play over here!

"Don't Be Afraid If Nobody Loves You" is pretty nice!