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skip bayless--"super bowl is boring with no stars like tom brady and seattle and detroit are second-class cities. also: winter olympics is for fagz"

― gear (gear), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

"No one is worse than albom, blount."

Hello, Bob Greene! (who, like albom, started out with a shred of human decency)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

ohh bob greene....that was a hard fall

― gear (gear), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

it is kinda sad that the good espn dudes (ralph wiley, hunter thompson) die (halberstam watch your back!) and skip bayless and woody paige and colin cowherd are still drawing breath.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:01 (twenty years ago)

albom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>skip bayless

-- j bloun

A turd would be better than Bayless.

― van igloo (van smack), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

bob greene writes for the jewish world review now (i think). which is probably a fine periodical...

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

i'm searching for albom's interior monologue as ben wallace so that we can hunt for the real killer here but i'm coming up with nothing.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

"senior associate editor" = "co-executive producer"

I'm still confused what makes this guy (whom I don't know) a satirist. The target in his cases seem to be the form - giddy/stupid pop-culture features - first and foremost, not the subject. That's the difference between, say, "Weird" Al's "Fat" or "Eat It" and Randy Newman's "Rednecks." It's also what keeps things like the Onion and the Daily Show so sharp - imitation of the form (newspaper/newscast) is just the platform for satire, not the whole of the joke.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

Wiley was like a soccer dad who desperately wanted to be cool. Obviously I didn't wish any harm to come to him, but I don't miss his writing.

Bayless' work is the ... er, gold standard for shitty opinion pieces.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

the jewish world review's line-up, with a few exceptions, is like a who's who of idiocy:

Michael Barone
Mona Charen
Linda Chavez
Ann Coulter
Greg Crosby
Larry Elder
Don Feder
Suzanne Fields
Paul Greenberg
Bob Greene
Betsy Hart
Nat Hentoff
David Horowitz
Marianne Jennings
Michael Kelly
Mort Kondracke
Ch. Krauthammer
Lawrence Kudlow
Dr. Laura
John Leo
David Limbaugh
Michelle Malkin
Chris Matthews
Michael Medved
MUGGER
Kathleen Parker
Wes Pruden
Sam Schulman
Amity Shlaes
Tony Snow
Thomas Sowell
Cal Thomas
Jonathan S. Tobin
Ben Wattenberg
George Will
Bruce Williams
Walter Williams
Mort Zuckerman

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

Russ Smith--"Bush is our greatest orator since MLK"

― gear (gear), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:07 (twenty years ago)

not to derail but liebling >>>>>>>> herodotus

― adam (adam), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:09 (twenty years ago)

OMG, forget Nick, comedy gold!:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter1.asp

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't it Bayless who wrote the piece about how the Knicks' acquisition of Steve Francis was a brilliant move, because know Larry Brown has the perfect lineup of underachievers upon which to work his magic?

OMGLOL. I mean, if you're that wrong about something, do you still qualify as an expert? Can he be decertified? That's like being a lifeguard and letting a child stricken with polio go off the high dive.

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

ahh, Michelle Malkin!

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

"Movies with the same groundbreaking theme to come:

* "Westward Homo!"

* "The Magnificent, Fabulous Seven"

* "Gunfight at the K-Y Corral"

* "How West Hollywood Was Won"

OK, back to predictions. The best director award will go to ... Ang Lee, director of "Brokeback Mountain." (For analysis, see above.) Also, this is gays directed by an Asian, which should satisfy the gaysians. Hands down: Ang Lee."

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

That Coulter piece is a classic. Oh, Ann you're so 2003.

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm the advisor for a college newspaper and I have to constantly remind the students not to make shit up. Fabricating quotes is a sign of laziness. You make up quotes in fiction, not in journalism. Whoever makes up quotes knowing the rules posted by the publication for which he's writing deserves his fate.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:53 (twenty years ago)

his fate is probably to get canned by the Voice, go off to write a pretty entertaining mea culpa memoir which is 33% "it's not my fault, the bad editors made me do it", 33% "it's not my fault if squares just don't get it it, swiftian satire is my bag", and 33% "it's not my fault, i was high as a kite" and to go on to write screenplays for various SNL alumni, starting with the feature-length adaptation of the narnia rap. if not that, there's always Vice.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:08 (twenty years ago)

http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/images/2003/locke.jpg http://www.janome.com/images/accessory-BOBBIN-THREAD.jpg

― Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:28 (twenty years ago)

Whoever put that Coulter link into this thread is the one who should be fired. Kudos to JWR for their equal opportunity hiring of a NAZI for their publication.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:32 (twenty years ago)

I just report the news, Mitya, don't shoot the messenger.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif Nick off Pitchfork staff page. http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif

― lil' flipper (eman), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:53 (twenty years ago)

Nat Hentoff

Scott!!!!!!!!

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

33% "it's not my fault, i was high as a kite"

I would personally pay Nick to write a book-length "it was because I was smoking half an ounce of purple-haired Carmel buds per day" sorta deal

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:38 (twenty years ago)

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― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:01 (twenty years ago)

"Nat Hentoff

Scott!!!!!!!!"

i said there were some exceptions. and some of the people on that list i am not familiar with. they may not be idiots.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:13 (twenty years ago)

hentoff is only totally off the money like 2/3 of the time.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Have you read his jazz writing?

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:27 (twenty years ago)

i pray to god i'm on the money as often as he is in when i'm 81

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:29 (twenty years ago)

I think he's one of the best jazz writers I've read, along with Ralph Ellison. But I generally haven't read much of his recent political stuff the odd essay aside.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:31 (twenty years ago)

i just mean his political stuff, and only then sometimes. but on those times he can be totally maddening.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:47 (twenty years ago)

Hentoff was waaaaay off when it came to the Terri Schiavo fiasco. I don't know shit about jazz so I'll assume he's more than competant in that arena.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 3 March 2006 06:18 (twenty years ago)

I couldnt bring myself to read this whole thread because of how dumb it is on so very many levels, but I cannot figure out why Coulter is writing for a Jewish publication. What the fuck is going on?

― fkj, Friday, 3 March 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

Lotta Jews are neo-cons.

― fgfdg, Friday, 3 March 2006 06:25 (twenty years ago)

now pitchfork stopped working

― lf (lfam), Friday, 3 March 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)

lotta neocons are jews, that is. most jews are liberal.

― staxwell, Friday, 3 March 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)

hentoff is prolife which is where his schiavo take came from i'm guessing. he's otm well enough to justify those incredibly frustrating or blockheaded times he's so wrong (most disgusting for me was when he was selling that 'clinton's a rapist' line the right was spreading after the impeachment fell thru) and sadly probably more relevant now than ever.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

"Asked to resign" from Pitchfork? What the fuck kinda cop out is that? Doesn't Ryan have a desk he can bang his fist on?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:23 (twenty years ago)

wow, he really isn't on the fork staff page anymore. what the hell is going on? if nick gets the pitchslip for this..

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:28 (twenty years ago)

i think it's more likely that nick had a breakdown and quit Pitchfork than Ryan S fired him because he put fabrications in a VV cover story.

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

still...
http://mindprod.com/images/martyr.jpg

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

check out Pablo "Yoruba" Guzman's obituary for Ray Baretto in this week's Voice. That's rare appearance of the kind of writing that made this paper's reputation back in the day: passionate, well-informed, personal and political. oh and accurate.

sylvester's thing was just a glom on strauss anyway, an attempt to ride his book's publicity that backfired, or maybe worked too well.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Well, what does it say about a publication, any publication, that stands by a dude who admits to making shit up? It's called credibility, and it matters, even at Pitchfork.

Maybe the guy can get a job making up quotes for movie posters.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Fabricating quotes is a sign of laziness.

Not only is it a form of laziness, it's also the clearest possible sign that you are in no way, shape or form cut out to be a journalist. Period. If you're making up quotes, or are even tempted to make up quotes, just do yourself and everyone else a favor, and quit.

― poynter.org, Friday, 3 March 2006 12:42 (twenty years ago)

i'm not entirely sure why pitchfork would fire him for this.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)

cuz they're a bunch of fucking pussies like the rest of you

― common sense (sexyDancer), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

yeah, he fucked up and i think it was a pretty huge lapse in judgement and the voice really ought to quit the whole condescending "i love this kid" shit and can his ass, but i would think someone could still write record reviews for pitchfork even after making shit up in the voice. i can see them taking him off interviews and features for awhile, but has he done anything to suggest he's incapable of saying whether or not he likes a record? it's like saying someone can't be make up the word jumbles anymore. anyway, who knows, maybe he quit.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:02 (twenty years ago)

it's like saying someone can't be trusted to make up the word jumbles anymore

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

has he done anything to suggest he's incapable of saying whether or not he likes a record?

Cue 500 posts of whining about how that's not what record reviews are about.

― strap in, Friday, 3 March 2006 14:07 (twenty years ago)

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