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RA comments people are wack

I've been digging that mix of Township Funk that has the cheesy 80s orchestral stabs in the intro. They remind me of old PSB remixes. Crookers Supertrance remix, I think.

can someone explain this Crookers business to me? every remix i ever heard from them just reaked of less-soulful Nick Catchdubs shittiness.

no one hates lfo, its just kind of sad to see ellen allien leaning on dependable tracks, she just isn't exciting anymore which is a real shame

i guess that i never really saw Ellen Allien as anything but a populist and a favorite, especially among people who know little about dance music.

it makes me sad that people think it's kind of sad that she would play lfo. heaven help us!

yeah, don't be populist, yet vibrant enough to appeal to even casual dance music fans AND actually play good music. Does nothing for your cred! jesus table could you be any more condescending?

why are people who self-identify as "knowing about dance music" SO much more obnoxious than the equivalent fanboys in other genres anyway?

as for Ellen, I feel like I need to defend the idea of her but it's of some version a good couple of years in the past now :(

fandango, i know you've pulled me up before for excessively banging on about her bloody weiss mix but for me she's never bettered that mix in terms of track selection and general kick-assness. i won't mention it again.

lol! I don't mind that being mentioned again in this context at all, I just personally don't see it as THE single highpoint the way a few people seem to, a lot of her mixes (on CD and otherwise) are hella great from before and after. Not really nuts about the RA one though but my expectations aren't really there anymore now...

It's not Super Furry Animals though is it?

sorry...

the podcast sounded extremely similar to her set in sf a few weeks back, including the "township funk" and the fact that it wasn't very good.

gotta agree that hating on obvious choices is poor form tho

why are people who self-identify as "knowing about dance music" SO much more obnoxious than the equivalent fanboys in other genres anyway?

And American, lol (sorry trees)

Ellen Allien has been v popular for a long time but Bpitch has been bad to middling for like how long, 3 years? More? And I've never heard a good report about her as a DJ, like never ever. Iconic figure maybe, DJ no.

No bad will towards her but further to all that nobody could be jumping on a minimal house bandwagon than one of the biggest figures in the trance/techno buzz of 3/4/5 years ago. Like why listen to Allien playing Miss Fitz/Kreon etc? (Unless it's good of course!)

Losoul podcast my favourite in ages also.

i love ellen's new fashion line. gonna get me one of those ace of diamonds tees.

Steffi is my new favourite dj I think. Loved her RA p-cast from last year and her recent Mixmag.info mix was a triumph. Both mixes beautifully programmed.

I just personally don't see it as THE single highpoint the way a few people seem to, a lot of her mixes (on CD and otherwise) are hella great from before and after.

i agree w/fandango - as a club dj ellen's been hit or miss for a while, though in focusing on her boring sets one tends to overlook that she can still be amazing, but her studio mixes are still some of the most coherent, inventive ones around - the boogybytes one last year, and fabric 34...also calling her an artist for people who don't know anything about dance music is total off-base bullshit, sorry tabes.

don't do it, lex.
that diamond t is horrible.

I'm sorry that you're being forced to listen Matt DC, that must be a real grind.

Eh? I just said I wasn't going to go out of my way to listen to it. Christ...

That said I'd rather hear her spin stuff like Township Funk or LFO than the particularly lumpy characterless minimal she played the last couple of times I saw her.

I've never much enjoyed Ellen Alien when I've seen her play out but I agree with Lex here

calling her an artist for people who don't know anything about dance music is total off-base bullshit, sorry tabes.

― lex pretend, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:11 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Don't really like saying this about anyone (even if I don't particularly enjoy their music)

I haven't heard this mix yet, but playing "LFO" in a club sometimes != playing it on an RA podcast. It's safe to say that most people aren't looking to hear "LFO" when they listen to these podcasts.

but the podcast was from a live club set. i'm sure ms. alien has more pressing things on her mind than worrying about the analysis paralysis of a few blokes on RA and delivering a home recorded podcast of completely unknown music. really, get over it.

I think people have a right to criticise, the fact is they're only comparing her mix with other mixes done by similarly busy DJs. Maybe people are spoiled or whatever, and sure there are probably tons of moronic comments on the RA thread, didn't even read it, but I don't think they're being disingenuous or whatever. The free mix market is competitive right now!

fair enough. perhaps she didn't realise the critical importance RA has in the modern world. when i was asked to do one for them they had to ask a few times as i didn't even know what it was and kept blanking them. i'm glad i did finally as i still cherish the snide comments.

RA comments box people are the worst

euhm sorry, but who are you, stirmonster?

RA's messageboard is the "Have Your Say" of the techno/house world.

i actually rather like this ellen allien mix

It doesn't matter if it was from a live set, she still had to choose which set (and which part of her set) to use for the podcast. And who was asking for a home recorded podcast of unknown tracks?

xposts I also avoid reading RA comments threads

xposts. stirmonster is jd twitch of optimo fame.

2 xposts. yes exactly, LG. Not shy of being the youtube comments of the techno/house world.
xpost, yeah I think it's decent.

it seems like most of the people on the RA comments box like this mix pretty well too ... what's the controversy again, exactly?

And who was asking for a home recorded podcast of unknown tracks?

i was.

07. Chaton - +91 Ahead (Session 3: Dachshund Version)

i've got this, i like it a lot. good john daly mix on it too.

It's safe to say that most people aren't looking to hear "LFO" when they listen to these podcasts.

this is such a weird attitude!

on another note, is anyone else frustrated with the RA 160kbps standard? i don't wanna be a churl cuz it's a pretty amazing service, what with all these free mixes which are frequently better or more interesting than commercial ones, but...it still sounds suboptimal :(

how dare ellen allien play unexpected records that are awesome

apologies Matt DC total overreaction, there's just something about the turning up on a thread only to state your dislike of something and bringing absolutely nothing useful to the discussion posting type that winds me up chronic. Reading again, I was just taking out my general frustration and irritation with ILM generally on the wrong guy really.

any thought about the bill brewster one?

DLed the Brewster but haven't listened yet.

I don't see what the problem is with pointing out that someone is popular with people who don't know shit. It's like people who thought they listened to punk because they had a Blink 182 CD, there's just so much other better shit out there. I think dance people who dig the underground shit are fierce about it because of how comparatively difficult it is to find. You gotta work for that shit! People use the web so much for that shit because it's easier than finding it in real life, though still not exactly simple.

i sort of see where you're coming from but ellen absolutely isn't one of those artists imo

that's lot of shit.

xpost.

I don't know a single person who likes Ellen Allien and doesn't otherwise have an interest in dance music. This is mental.

The Culoe podcast is A+++ though. Gonna listen to the Ellen one later.

1. fuck all y'all.

2. sorry i'm a nerd and fascist. but fuck you anyway.

3. i wasn't really criticising Ellen Allien OR people who don't know much about dance music, though that is the way it came out. her sound and her structures are undeniably more poppy than many other producers considered in the same league. a lot of people that i know who aren't really into dance music quite like and actively listen to Ellen Allien (along with a couple other bigger names). in all honesty, fandango, you sort of took what i said completely out of context. and then ronan did his usual American-baiting (go die on your next bank holiday, mate).

wishing death on someone is obv a reasonable response.

as if being a total jingoistic fuck is a reasonable response to anything?

if you want to paint yourself as some learned gatekeeper then be prepared to have the same method flipped back at you. there are probably several thousand German Ellen Allien fans who know more about dance music because they've lived it than you ever will.

what gives you the right to say you "know about dance music" above and beyond a fan of artist x/y/z? nothing...it's just elitist nonsense. I don't even like Ellen Allien as I mentioned above but it has to be pointed out. You actually have enough of a brain not to spout this rubbish either.

again, some jingoistic and elitist nonsense from you.

and what the fuck does 'living' dance music mean? if it means what i think you think it means, i'm glad that i don't live it. and even beyond that, who the fuck are you to say that i don't live it? you don't know anything about me.

finally, it seems you can't read: i wasn't really criticising Ellen Allien OR people who don't know much about dance music, though that is the way it came out. her sound and her structures are undeniably more poppy than many other producers considered in the same league. a lot of people that i know who aren't really into dance music quite like and actively listen to Ellen Allien (along with a couple other bigger names).

and that isn't a judgment on them, is really what i mean. it is just fact.

yes but you said what you said and people responded thusly. easy to climb down afterwards. you don't seem to enjoy someone else casting aspersions on who you are/what you know based on an arbitrary piece of info so maybe in future you might give other people a bit more credit.

i've no desire to get in a slanging match as i'm mostly playing devils advocate, i think the whole idea of someone "knowing more" is idiotic. music is not a competition. if someone likes ellen allien they do know about dance music, she has tiny sales and the vast majority of people don't know who she is. equally if someone likes whatever's top of beatport's hard house chart they know about dance music.

so to "know" about dance music someone has to conform to your defn/taste. you really are a retard.