I dont think this band works if you remove any of the four, they're all crucial
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:30 (seven years ago) link
Why wasn't this well received when it came out? It's one of the most well produced rock records I've ever heard, and it's the most muscular thing they ever did. Over saturation after conquering the world in the first half of the '70s? I don't find Plant's vocals strained at all, despite his condition.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 February 2017 12:32 (seven years ago) link
(everyone immediately disagrees on said third track)
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 20 February 2017 12:33 (seven years ago) link
Plant was always the weakest link in this band.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
Οὖτις OTM, these are both insane positions imo:
The way I see it, Plant and Bonham were the core of LZ, with Page and Jones adding colorPlant was always the weakest link in this band.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
Well, let's think about this...
Remove Bonham and you remove the excellent, hard-hitting rhythms.
Remove JPJ and you remove the excellent, often intricate bass work and superb keyboard and/or string arrangements.
Remove Page and you remove the riffs.
Remove Plant and you remove the guy that goes "oOoOoOoOoOo" and shrieks half-inched blues lyrics and stuff about Lord of the Rings over a superbly played backing track.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
I mean, I wouldn't want to remove any one element from Zeppelin's music, but if I had to...
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), M
so replace him with Bryan Ferry then
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Ian Gillan.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
Shakey OTM. The focus shifts continually, but they all have to be in the frame.
― scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
Plant's the guy writing the melodies over the tunes. I don't think any other vocalist of his generation would have made the same melodic choices; put any other hard rock vocalist of the era in Plant's position and the lyrics would remain baby-baby British blues stuff anchored to the tonic. Plant's solo work, whose peaks are lofty indeed, bears this out: he's a great musician with real vision.
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
Put any other hard rock vocalist in Plant's position and the singing on 'The Song Remains The Same' may have been far more tolerable.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
#hotsonfornowhere
― calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 00:43 (six years ago) link
The assessment of this album being 'Achilles Last Stand' and 'Nobody's Fault But Mine' plus a lot of sub-par Zeppelin is still OTM.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 07:19 (six years ago) link
you're so wrong I don't even know where to start
― calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 12:18 (six years ago) link
otm
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 November 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
― calstars, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. the rhythm section is so weird on this song. the way the drums switch to doubletime but the rest of the band keeps the same tempo so funky and disorienting
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
Very difficult song to play drums on, for sure. Even air drumming the fills on the “oh oh” part is hard as fuck
― calstars, Thursday, 23 November 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
my favorite Zeppelin album
― flappy bird, Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I'll never understand that - not when this band released six stone cold classics in a row prior to this, which was their weakest record up to that point until they followed it up with one worse.
It's another one of those records that suffers from "Gaucho syndrome" - where people actually got it right first time around.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 23 November 2017 22:55 (six years ago) link
It's easy to understand if you consider every Zep LP (exceot ITTOD) the best one.
And yeah, HOFN is a jam
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link
Presence isn't as good as most of the other Zeppelin albums, no. It's more fragmented. It suffers by comparison. It's still considerably better than "two good songs and nothing" -- that's, like, weirdly "is it a banger or not???" thinking. Zep are considerably more interesting than that imo
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 24 November 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, November 23, 2017 4:28 PM (two hours ago)
same, by a mile
― WilliamC, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:18 (six years ago) link
and this isn't the fault of any of the records, but Presence is also the least culturally saturated Zep LP. I didn't listen to Led Zeppelin until about 2 years ago (right around when I made this poll). but songs like "Heartbreaker," "Kashmir," "Immigrant Song," "Dazed & Confused," "No Quarter," "When the Levee Breaks," "All My Love," "Whole Lotta Love," "Black Dog"... they're inescapable. And I love all their records. But the combination of Presence being completely fresh to me, along with its very straightforward no-frills meat&potatoes rock sound, appeal to me much more than all of their other records, which have much more dramatic narrative and sonic arcs. The epics, the acoustic songs, the drum solos, the riff-dozers. Presence is also one of the greatest examples of a band that's just really fucking tight and together with each other and well oiled and powerful, the kind of power and chemistry that can only come from years of playing & touring, and obviously the talent of the individuals.
― flappy bird, Friday, 24 November 2017 01:41 (six years ago) link
thank you Greta Van Fleet for bringing me back to this record
― flappy bird, Saturday, 27 October 2018 04:45 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/jaVmPCm.jpg
― calstars, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:48 (four years ago) link
precience
― budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:50 (four years ago) link
oh hell yeah
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 00:50 (four years ago) link
"alexa, what is the strange plastic alien object in the center of the room that this entire family seems creepily infatuated with ?"
― budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:59 (four years ago) link
yikes i made a typo i meant prescience **
― budo jeru, Friday, 22 May 2020 01:16 (four years ago) link
if you're not taking advantage of quarantine to carve/whittle your own Object it's probably never going to happen
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 May 2020 01:20 (four years ago) link
fortunately i have insurance that will cover that and don't need to DIY
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 22 May 2020 02:32 (four years ago) link
Want to hear a mashup of Royal Orleans and steely’s Green Earrings
― calstars, Sunday, 4 September 2022 02:45 (one year ago) link
I've often thought that The Object anticipated the mobile phone by several decades.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 4 September 2022 05:27 (one year ago) link
wow do i not miss turrican
― mookieproof, Sunday, 4 September 2022 06:28 (one year ago) link
This is an amazing record where every song (except "Royal Orleans") has flashes of tedium about 80% of the way through - not because the band's energy is flagging, but because they're trying to goose the songs past their natural lengths.
Presence is also the least culturally saturated Zep LP.
I was visiting a woman who had all of the Zeppelin CDs except for this. "Oh, you don't have Presence!" "What's that?"
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 4 September 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link
― When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 14:36 (one year ago) link
I think “Achilles’…” is perfect. No flashes of tedium there.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 4 September 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link
"Tea For One" is my favorite Zep closer.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 September 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link
I think this album has perhaps the weakest *songs* of any Zeppelin album (not that there aren't also flashes of genius, ie Achilles), but even when the songs aren't thrilling, the machine powering through it all, the band, is still a remarkable thing.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 4 September 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
Did Turrican leave ILM? Also, I like Robert Plant a bunch, but I think his is at least a reasonable perspective.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 21:06 (one year ago) link
"Nobody's Fault But Mine".
I'd never heard this album until a couple of days ago. I can't say I like it very much - despite the best efforts of JPJ and Bonham. "Achilles Last Stand" is good but it's really a bit too prog metal for my tastes - I find some of it really clunky. The rest of the album just isn't very memorable.
― Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 21:32 (four months ago) link
u mad broAchilles is like their best song
― calstars, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 21:54 (four months ago) link
I'm mad? One person thinks "Royal Orleans" is better!
― Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 21:56 (four months ago) link
“tea for one” is dreamy and incredible
― brimstead, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 22:27 (four months ago) link
"Tea For One" and "Hots on For Nowhere" on two ends of their spectrum are marvelous; the latter is top ten Zep imo.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 22:38 (four months ago) link
― WilliamC, Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:18 PM (six years ago)
a hundred miles by now
― that's when I reach for my copy of Revolver (WmC), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 02:24 (four months ago) link