this is easily the best of the new songs so far, the end with the overlapping vocals is really nice
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 03:54 (seven years ago) link
http://www.stereogum.com/1924017/dirty-projectors-fleet-foxes-frontmen-discuss-the-bad-and-bougie-state-of-indie-rock-today/news/
In which Dave Longstreth of Dirty Projectors starts a conversation about how indie rock is resting its laurels on the unearned, lazy appropriation of other people's ideas by extensively quoting "Bad and Boujee".
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
"well removed from the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience"
my new display name
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
feels great
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
The whole thing is pretty vomitous. Like, yeah, you guys are real fuckin' artists, man. Critics of society, even.
― Austin, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Dick Longstretch
― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
lol @ GAPDY nostalgia
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
fleet foxes guy is slightly less of a complete disaster there than dave wanker
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
that was otm though, about GAPDY being the last time indie was proggy
― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
Grizzly Bear’s Ed Droste chimed in, too, with a screaming face emoji.
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
Ed Droste otm.
― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:07 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
someone wants to be deluged in links
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
that is such a pathetically closed-minded perspective
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
also all those bands have made more records since 2009...
― flappy bird, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
Ahhh this is awful
"Refined and effete, well removed from the rain drops and drop tops of lived, earned experience"
Lifting your guitar-style wholesale from Malian players, lyrics about listening to Tupac and Kanye, this is imo the most dangerous and insidious form of cultural white supremacy, that kind that is colonialism masquerading as wokeness
And if somebody uses "effete" as a pejorative again I will limp-wristedly pull a gun on them
― fgti, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
god i wish jamie from xiu xiu hadn't deleted his tweet about Longstreth, it was something like "do you KNOW that Dave Longstreth is a /something/ with fucked ideas about colonialism?"
― flappy bird, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO REMEMBERED THIS!
was something like 'racist notions about eastern european ethnicity' i think
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
ChipotleIndie rock has been criticized as refined and effete for as long as I can remember, but I think a narrow focus on a certain strand of American indie rock masks how bands like Tame Impala and Unknown Mortal Orchestra really are pushing music forward while influencing artists across genre lines. I think 2016 was an unusually weak year for indie rock, but 2015 and 2013 had lots of great stuff. But yes, you can't keep mining 90s lo-fi indie rock/Pavement forever and expect it to sound fresh.
02/10/17 9:43 AM+7REPLY
ChipotleAlso call me crazy, but I think 2017 will be a really good year for (indie) rock music. 2016 was dominated by great superstar R&B/hip-hop albums, so I think the time is more than ripe for a shift.
02/10/17 10:02 AM+8
― nomar, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
lil wotiemy take is that rock music should move away from the "indie" sound of idkkkkk jangly guitars and delicate vocals...idk what effete means. Move to something harder that shreds
02/10/17 9:56 AM+10REPLY
ChipotleYup. Stooges/Stones/Faces/Led Zeppelin/Velvet Underground influence would be welcome and would sound super fresh.
02/10/17 10:10 AM+9
And once again ILX seems like a beacon of sanity.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
I mean maybe we're all wrong
Maybe Dave Longstreth in fact invented Ali Farka Toure
Maybe he invented Black Flag also
― fgti, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
lmao yes!!!! i tweeted at him at the time like "JUICY DEETS SPILL THE BEANS!!!!!!"
― flappy bird, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
Longstreth reminds me a lot of David Byrne: aloof, arrogant, annoying, constantly appropriating African music
― flappy bird, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
I made the joke a few times before but Dirty Projectors reaallllllly living their band name these days
― fgti, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
it would be "fun" to read a group intvw between Longstreth, JS, and Downtown Boys
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
I've tried to engage with DL one-on-one about serious stuff, but he's such a brainiac and he's clearly spent weeks upon weeks building up internal logic structures to excuse himself, explain himself, preserve the idea of his own genius. Maybe I'm just not on-the-ball enough to call him on his bullshit irl but it's like trying to play tower defence against a racist and misogynist Harvard graduate who knows every possible loophole
― fgti, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link
man who clearly spent weeks upon weeks building up internal logic structures to excuse himself is a pretty good summation of the new songs imo
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:52 (seven years ago) link
“Complex plans and high ideals but he treats people poorly/Is a ceaseless ambitiousness proxy for a void he’s ignoring?” is the opening line from one of the tunes of his new album.
God that Insta post was fucking cringey.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Monday, 13 February 2017 07:17 (seven years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/magazine/the-dirty-projectors-go-solo.html?_r=1
― flappy bird, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
In between the previous record and this new one they did a fabulous duet version of Climax by Usher. Seemed loaded with significance at the time and now seems even more like an obvious portent of a breakup (album).
― Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Friday, 17 February 2017 14:20 (seven years ago) link
That's on the JJJ session for their Like A Version slot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_K-IbJYvE
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 19 February 2017 05:40 (seven years ago) link
It's streaming. And it's weird. A song like 'Work Together' is definitely new, but...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 10:52 (seven years ago) link
i love that this and the new xiu xiu record are coming out on the same day. longstreth is such a fucking asshole, the lyrics on this thing are absurd.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
tbf JS is probably also an asshole but a much more interesting one imo
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
well like for instance the xiu xiu record ends with vaginal davis reading a list of lines jamie wrote about pictures of underage prostitutes he found on backpage and then reported - i think like most of his records, there's an enormous amount of empathy and a concerted effort to connect and acknowledge aspects of the human condition that are ignored even in the arts. the songs are really good, i think it's the best thing he's done in a while, but he puts out a lot of albums. this dirty projectors record is really immaculately produced, the music is really cool on most of it, but it's the most hilariously offensive and unintentionally mean set of lyrics i've ever seen. nagl, but sort of amazing and again hilarious
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link
god i wish jamie's tweet was still up
christ the hours i've wasted looking for some trace of it
― devvvine, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:10 (seven years ago) link
This is the first Dirty Projectors album I've been remotely excited to hear (that "Own Little Bubble" song is gorgeous, and the supporting cast is A+) but the guy is so toxic right now I don't even want to go near it.
Are the lyrics really that bad? I have a very low tolerance for one-sided, recriminatory lyrics pointed at an identifiable person, but the buzz around this is so bad you'd think the guy made a men's rights record. Or a Sun Kil Moon record.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
There really are some awful, awful lines on this. But it's not as bad as Sun Kil Moon.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link
the lyrics are just very tin-eared, like i can't believe DL thought putting this out was a good idea - dirty laundry!
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:10 (seven years ago) link
A couple of them stick out as being particularly bitter and they are, indeed, not a good look, others just seem more about wearing his pain about on the outside in a somewhat clunky manner, and the narrative album arcs away from the bitterness to acceptance by the end of it, which makes the lines in Keep Your Name (at the start) seem somewhat contextualized.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
he probably (hopefully) knows those lyrics are nagl. this album is good.
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link
I reviewed it and my thought was he was trying really really hard to express some really deep contempt while still thinking at the back of his brain "NO, NO MISOGYNY, CAN'T DO MISOGYNY." but also, like, dude, "your heart is saying clothing line / my body said Naomi Klein, No Logo"? really? really dude.
(said review: http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=22989)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:58 (seven years ago) link
I like the 'no logo' shout, it makes it seem like a Kanye rap. Also, the next lines are pretty great: "We shared kisses and visions / But like KISS' shithead Gene Simmons said: / A band is a brand and it looks that our vision is dissonant"
I think my main problem is that he keeps calling her a sellout. It really does seem to mostly be about wearing his pain on the outside, but he keeps hitting that beat over and over and over so it becomes much uglier.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:03 (seven years ago) link
oh, that Naomi Klein line is awful! katherine otm - also the lyric sheet says "Drinking a Fifth For My Ass"
― flappy bird, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:08 (seven years ago) link
Given the prevalence of misogyny on social media the easily quoted sellout stuff just seems so ill-thought out and cruel.
― devvvine, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:09 (seven years ago) link
What's wonderful bout thinking about these people is that Longstreth's at best OK and often awful singing makes his words indecipherable anyway.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:10 (seven years ago) link
I disagree. I thought the lyrics on Swing Lo Magellan were quite good, and most intelligible
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:35 (seven years ago) link
haven't heard the new one, except I liked the song w/ dawn. but of course I'm biased bc ILM made me a dawn stan back in the diddy dirty money days
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:40 (seven years ago) link
DL's singing sounds good but also like every phrase is overdubbed
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:46 (seven years ago) link