Music Criticism in Video Form

music is also highly respected as an art by both music fans and industry as well as regular people that don't care too much. videogames still very much considered just base consumer products with no craft to them, with little cultural cache, and this resentment combined with a internet-fueled redpill conspiracy mindset is part of what feeds GG.

I heard there was an attempt at a metalgate a few years ago but nobody cared.

Sam Dunn/Banger did a panel about sexism in metal and I think it got a pretty hostile response.

tbh it's immaterial whether this turns into a Gate it's simply a question of noting that Fantohno is at best an alt-right sympathizer and all-purpose douchebag

I heard there was an attempt at a metalgate a few years ago but nobody cared.

there was, and you're right (it was a half-assed attempt by a longstanding metal provocateur/troll/dickhead) but women metal writers still got, and get, a fuckton of abuse in their DMs etc & in the comments on their stories, etc

i can't imagine something like "women vs. tropes in metal" ever taking off any more than i could imagine "women vs. tropes in pro wrestling" taking off. the thing about things like gaming and comics that make them such flash-points is that women are very heavily involved in those things. in contrast, metal and pro-wrestling are still predominantly male spaces, and while these scenes continue to successfully marginalize, isolate, and drive away women involved in them i don't see there being a great deal of controversy.

Asking again how far Fantohno goes? Trump supporter? Makes silly rants about political correctness? I think that's annoying and probably has some negative impact but is that all?

I don't believe he is actually a Trump supporter. He's more likely a bernieorbust type that is constantly at war with SJW strawmen. AKA a living caricature of the "typical redditor"

Can a Bernieorbust guy be a typical Redditor?

he's a bernie or buster but a really dumb one. the kind of guy who's not sure if he likes bernie or ron paul

also money is a bit irrelevant to GG because their primary targets are indie games, which make essentially none (it isn't comparable to music -- music has revenue streams open that games don't) (ugh, "revenue streams," but)

I always thought Anthony Boitano was just reading pitchfork reviews out loud

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Tina-Fey-giving-herself-high-five.gif

http://www.thefader.com/2017/10/03/needle-drop-deleted-youtube-channel-this-is-the-plan

well.

A truly satisfying story, given his clear panic over being directly called on his shit.

yeah i was more nauseated by sam hyde's description of his sexual techniques than satisfied, but i guess ymmv

also, like, this is the sort of stuff those alt-right shitheads eat up as evidence that they're ~~the truly oppressed class~~

xpost Admittedly more in the sense of 'laying his shitheadedness all out' satisfying than having to deal with gross fuckup details, but yes.

Never reallt watched fantano's videos but this is still a weird story. My impression was that his reviews were kind of lame but innocuous?

The Fader article on this is ominous because they claim that video is the medium where the alt right flourishes.. and also the medium to which a lot of media companies are moving.

both of those things are true

My impression was that his reviews were kind of lame but innocuous?

how could you tell, you'd have to watch one

I disliked Fantano from the get go partially because we have very different tastes but is this article reaching a bit? Like, is he truly that lame? No way am I watching those Hyde and Akkad videos so I guess I'll never know.

In short, Fantano may have discerned from the popularity of his friends like Sam Hyde and Sargon of Akkad — not to mention his own icon status on /mu/ — that a market existed for reactionary video content.

this is really what it comes down to with most of these reactionary pivots. gamergate cracked open this massive White Nationalist Incel demographic and every scumsucker with a platform swam right into it. i don't think it's a case of anyone being "redpilled". i'm not sure people like fantano or pewdiepie or ian miles cheong actually believe in anything outside of themselves

qualx OTM

ive seen this dudes music reviews sitting on the sidelines forever and i dont know that ive ever clicked on one before and now i feel vindicated bc what a fucking creep

on a purely aesthetic level why would anyone want to look at people like af and pewdiepie let alone listen to their opinions

Like, is he truly that lame?

I followed him on tumblr back in the day (never been interested in vlogs), he would say the odd anti-sjw anti-gamergate thing every now and then but he'd sometimes call out racist messages he got sent to him around the time To Pimp a Butterfly came out. I never liked his politics but he wasn't nearly as bad as his godawful 94% male fanbase. It looks like he's totally gone down the alt-right rabbit hole now though

So yeah, i'm glad the fader is calling out his bullshit

the main thought i have of him is still people making fun of him on tumblr for having hentai displayed on his blog through his likes

can't believe a guy who makes a living shouting reductive thoughts about music turned out to be a bad person

I am deeply, deeply suspicious of anyone who uploads themselves to youtube and always have been.

the best illustration of just how far gone this particular YouTube/Let's Play/etc crowd is, for me, was when a commenter called one LP guy "far-left" for saying he supported Obama. some fuckin' karl marx shit right there

Words on a page is one thing I can more or less manage, the idea of people speaking their thoughts out loud is corrosive to well being

this is about music, nobody wants to look at people speaking, find another art form for that

also

this isn't entirely true, since theneedledrop is partnered with Complex Media. it's unlikely that Complex has any real editorial authority over his reviews (these partnerships usually amount to 'you give us a share of your ad revenue, and in return we do virtually nothing to promote your channel'), but it would be naive to assume that Fantano is an independent youtuber.

― small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Friday, March 4, 2016 12:43 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this still true

there's also, imo, something to the alt-right being enamored with charismatic personalities (obviously they're not the *only* ones, but it is a pretty consistent trait, and of course are all sorts of parallels you could tease out of that trait), and the only "pivots to video" that actually work for media being the one driven by charismatic personalities with large fanbases.

(once again, games might end up being the canary in the coalmine for this kind of thing -- I remember, when the Nick Robinson stuff happened, suspecting it would not be the last time. the traits that make shitty and/or abusive people function -- charisma, etc. -- are very transferable skills to media)

In July, 2016, Fantano appeared in a video called “QUESTIONS WHITE MEN HAVE FOR SJWs!” Posted and commission by TJ Kirk, also known as the Amazing Atheist, it brought together a group of prominent political YouTubers: Sargon of Akkad, a talking suit of armor called the Armoured Skeptic, and an anthropomorphic kangaroo called Atheism is Unstoppable.

wtf

Good question.

Just want to add that this gamergate/4chan and now alt right sphere is so fucking creepy and if ever a subculture needed to die this is it.

xp katherine

the thing I can never figure out is who is it who finds assholes like AF charismatic

People who find racist trolling an amusing past-time

Just want to add that this gamergate/4chan and now alt right sphere is so fucking creepy and if ever a subculture needed to die this is it.

good thing no-one whose views overlap with these shitlords are currently working the levers of power in the united states of america, phew

People who find racist trolling an amusing past-time

Fantano built up a pretty huge fanbase before the alt-right was even a proper thing though, and as established earlier itt the overt heel turn was pretty recent

Other assholes. Of whom there are a lot.

Just want to add that this gamergate/4chan and now alt right sphere is so fucking creepy and if ever a subculture needed to die this is it.
― Treeship, Wednesday, October 4, 2017 9:20 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what we're seeing now is 4chan kiddies turning into adults

True. But according to the Fader, the pivot was encouraged by the fact that there was a big overlap between his 94% male(!) fanbase and the alt right.

there is something in the "I am a master logician" - nu atheist - proving ur inferiority with algebra crowd that ties into the kind of "objective cataloguing" approach of a Fantano imo - the will to crush subjectivity under an ersatz analytical rigour

Xp simon. I've gotten so slow.

I feel like I want to blame RYM a little bit for some reason.

it is part of the same bullshit to me. I realise fans of criticism as filing may feel differently.

All the aggregators -- metacritic etc -- definitely contributed to this tendency to evaluate art as just another commodity, along the lines of user enjoyment rather than any kind of respect for the work in itself.