I think it's a transitional album where you've still got some of the old Monkees methodology and sound on the singles tracks and the re-recording of "I'll Be Back up on My Feet" and then the more singular directions emerging for Jones, Dolenz, and Nesmith.
There's a Tork track called "Lady's Baby" that didn't make the album but is widely available.
― timellison, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:41 (seven years ago) link
The business is changing, boys! If you want to make it with the kids in today's musical landscape, it's posters they want
lol what a crazy time the 60s were - made-for-TV cash grabs exploiting lite garage psych and victorian whismy.
there are definitely stronger Monkees albums and i agree w Dr. C's assessment on a little too much dreamy twee but i dig it. "Magnolia Simms" has them effortlessly drifting close to Tiny Tim's comedic old-timey orbit.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 January 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
Instant Repay is even more of a hodgepodge. The Monkees Present gives more of a sense of where they were at that particular time. Shame that Tork was gone and the original plan of a double album didn't pan out.
― timellison, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
It's a bonus track on the 90s CD of the album. Tork also cut "Long Title...." at this time, but it was held back for Head. It's interesting that he was using Buffalo Springfield guys on those recordings--in their own way they are as much B.S. tracks as anything on Last Time Around.
I heartily recommend that Monkees Day-By-Day book Andrew Sandoval did awhile back--a surprisingly fascinating look at the L.A. Studio scene in that post-Spector/pre-Mellow Mafia era.
― "I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 January 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
The story of Craig Smith has a relevance to that as well, since he was briefly championed by Nesmith while in the band Penny Arkade -- it gives a sense of what Nesmith's pull was for a time in terms of recording access, high quality demos etc. Links and more in the thread I started:
Craig Smith/Maitreya Kali
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 January 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I had that book from the library, it's great. xp
― Snorting and all (Dan Peterson), Friday, 6 January 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
Monkees FB page just posted that "I'm a Believer" hit #1 50 years ago this week.
― "I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 January 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
Looking at it now, I see they stuck a couple of 1966-era tracks on The Monkees Present, too. Still, that's probably the closest thing to a real Monkees record post-Head.
Obviously, there was too much of a tendency somewhere in their organization to treat albums as product. With some effort, maybe you can still track what each member was trying to do through those later albums.
― timellison, Friday, 6 January 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
i was just complaining a couple days ago about the relative lack of love this record gets! Nez is at his weird apex, and Micky is firing on all cylinders as well. The older re-recorded tunes sound out of place, it's a shame about the lack of Tork, and I don't ever have much nice to say about Davy, but what a great album. I love "Writing Wrongs" especially.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 6 January 2017 21:10 (seven years ago) link
I made a Spotify playlist of late period Nesmith tracks that did not make the albums:
http://open.spotify.com/user/timellison/playlist/0V0njdsfqrfebPayjDCXgX
― timellison, Friday, 6 January 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
have we talked about the monkees doing "nine times blue" on the johnny cash show in '69? so good.
also, here is a swedish/finnish twee group doing a cover of "if i ever get to saginaw again". very nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJ67EC39J0
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 6 January 2017 21:49 (seven years ago) link
re-listening to TBTBATM again, i forgot how big a "Paperback Writer" ripoff "P.O. Box 9847" was. lol @ "I'm not liking what I'm typing."
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 7 January 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
Guys! Great recent one hour interview with The Nez: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdzAuyPLU0
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 11 May 2017 04:05 (seven years ago) link
I know, eleven months ago on a link above but..
david riverstone ReplyAugust 30, 2016 at 10:56 pmCould I email Andy Partridge? I’d like to talk with him about the origins of his song Dear God. I love this song and lyrics.
August 30, 2016 at 10:56 pm
Could I email Andy Partridge? I’d like to talk with him about the origins of his song Dear God. I love this song and lyrics.
Are intersting
― Mark G, Thursday, 11 May 2017 12:48 (seven years ago) link
i've been reading nesmith's new memoir called "infinite tuesday: an autobiographical riff" which gives you a pretty good idea of the tone/self-importance contained within
― na (NA), Thursday, 11 May 2017 14:30 (seven years ago) link
Glenn Tilbrook from Squeeze was on Iain Lee's radio show the other night where he said he's been asked to write a song for the next Monkees album
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 11 May 2017 21:54 (seven years ago) link
oh my god
― maura, Friday, 12 May 2017 14:52 (seven years ago) link
― Trelayne Staley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 May 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
i don't know, i'm not gonna read that shit.it's not as good as the recent mike love autobio. it's very light on actual stories, especially about the monkees. actually it's pretty bad overall.
― na (NA), Friday, 12 May 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1KE2gEEYdI
this Instant Replay cut is bonkers, it sounds like Mickey Dolenz spent a lost weekend massively stoned listening to Piper at the Gates of Dawn on repeat. going back to the conversation we were having itt in january, i'd love to read a book about studio pros and bubblegum craftspersons in the late 60s/early 70s struggling to decide what to do with all this bizarre and dissonant nonsense. see also: Trippy Country-tinged Pop with AM radio hooks from the late sixties to mid-seventies
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 27 October 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
it sounds like Mickey Dolenz spent a lost weekend massively stoned listening to Piper at the Gates of Dawn on repeat.
It's very likely hed I'd exactly this
― Moodles, Friday, 27 October 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
*he did
either way
― my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 02:30 (six years ago) link
With Sherman Hemsley?
― Who put all those zings in your thread? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
"as we go along" is a treat
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
Head soundtrack one of the best rock albums of the 60s imo
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 19 August 2018 02:32 (five years ago) link
Ah man, sad news that Peter Tork has passed on:
https://variety.com/2019/music/people-news/peter-tork-the-monkees-dies-dead-1203144914/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 February 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
Oh no, RIP Pete ;_;
― Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
He was my favorite from the show, which I haven't seen since I was in elementary school, but still.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
They were all my favourites, apart from Davy Jones.
― Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
Nez's thoughts...
https://www.facebook.com/michaelnesmith/posts/10157204684445116
And a short post from Mickey
https://www.facebook.com/poplustforlife/posts/149419906083129
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
well, this is depressing.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:26 (five years ago) link
:( RIP
― Jeff W, Thursday, 21 February 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link
Ah, hell. And to think I was pleased to see this thread bumped. RIP, buddy.
Really need to finish writing my fake Pool It! 33 1/3 so at least one of them is still alive to sue me.
― St. Boniface, patron saint of boner faces (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:45 (five years ago) link
RIP
― Bee OK, Friday, 22 February 2019 00:46 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMWdDBaqHk
rip big man
― you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Friday, 22 February 2019 00:54 (five years ago) link
I didn't see the show much or at all as a child, but the Monkees have meant a great deal to me at least since I was about 16. There was never a very long period where they didn't factor into my life in significant ways. I'm very sorry to see Peter go.
― timellison, Friday, 22 February 2019 04:37 (five years ago) link
I like the Peter Tork advice columns that I've seen - would be interested to see more:
Ask Peter Tork
― Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 24 February 2019 12:45 (five years ago) link
In this Twitter thread, we celebrate The Monkees and talk about our favorite Monkees songs— DJP (@djperry1973) January 16, 2020
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link
pretty excellent selection there. oddly, i've had both "you just may be the one" and "she hangs out" in my head on and off the last few days.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link
Listened to Pleasant Valley Sunday first thing this morning
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
Happy birthday to Davy Jones and Mike Nesmith! My basic list drawn from a CD-R I burned in the early '00s.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
Has there ever been an Artists Poll on the Monkees? I'd definitely be up for that. Not sure how many other hardcore Monkees' fans there are on ILX these days though.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link
The participants list might just come down to a little bit me, a little bit you.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link
I guess I'm medium-core inasmuch as I know the OG four-piece albums (and, erm, Pool It!) like the back of my hand and have seen Head more times than I can count. Recently heard some decent singles from their trio/duo years which encouraged me to check out those albums.
I was shockingly old when I learned that Davy and Mike share a birthday.
― Telly Salivas (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link
actually, scrolling up, this thread has a lot of still-active names! idk maybe worth a go?
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link
I could make a Top 10 easy (and I've voted in a number of polls where I submitted a list with less than 10 songs). Going back to DJP's original post, while I don't agree they surpassed the Beatles in any department, I do agree there was some kind of genius at work there (just in the songs? something more). And they even had their own imitators! (The Five Americans' "Western Union," the Move's "Wave the Flag and Stop the Train," the Lewis and Clarke Expedition's "Destination Unknown," no doubt others.) Found this cover on a country compilation I bought a couple of weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11F2PW8lcEk
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
It's kind of amazing how solid all the albums are. They're much more than the sum of their considerable hits.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
It was the Missing Links compilations that turned me into a Monkee Nut, the sheer amount of good material that was never released is really remarkable.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
I'd certainly vote, mostly for album tracks.
I haven't heard the outtakes but would investigate any which received a lot of acclaim.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link