Allmusic changes scores all the time.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
the original review of Psyence Fiction by Unkle received 9.8, but the review was later deleted[35] and when the group released their next album four years later, the website gave it a score of 5 and described it as an improvement on their debut, calling Psyence Fiction "one of the most anti-climactic and jaw-dropping disappointments of recent years"
continuity error by the P4K bot who writes all the reviews
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
That Coltrane review peeked my interest and I can see why they deleted it... it's all written in some sort of jive talk
https://web.archive.org/web/20040810064854/www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/c/coltrane_john/live-at-the-village-vanguard.shtml
― Moka, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
Piqued not peeked
― Moka, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
Those are all examples of deleted reviews, not score changes.
They gave In the Aeroplane a 10.0 when it was reissued, though.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5758-in-the-aeroplane-over-the-sea/
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
it's all written in some sort of jive talk
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53e3e270e4b0ad2a423bd11c/t/54ea62e7e4b0b080e15e843a/1424646888072/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
reissues are a means by which... all publications revise their opinions about records over time?
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
Oh, I thought that's what we were talking about. Was someone claiming that Pitchfork was retroactively making up new reviews for old albums and backdating them?
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
i'm pretty sure they removed all reviews before 2000 many years ago, for good reason it seems
― ufo, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
i think moka's referring to arbitrary score-changing based on a record's reputation improving within like, a few months. the only instance of this happening ever i think is sufjan stevens' greetings from michigan
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
Parts of that Coltrane review are a parody of Clockwork Orange, which was written in an invented teenage argot.
― Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link
the reddit post specifically singles out sun kil moon's universal themes as an example of score-changing but the subtext of that complaint seems to be "you gave a mediocre mark kozelek record a mediocre score just bc you cucks respect women"
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
"Droogs" is the only thing that sounds like it's from Clockwork Orange in the Coltrane review to me, and that's a damn weird thing for him to throw in there. Are there other allusions?
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
They also changed Gas - Pop apparently from 10 to 9 according to that pedantic redditor. Too lazy to go through the archive
― Moka, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link
Coltrane review:It was me and my four droogs. Them bein' Peter, Georgio and Dim; Dim being really Dim.
Opening sentence of Burgess' Clockwork Orange:
"There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie and Dim and we sat in the Korova milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening."
― Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
droogsplaining
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
Cool, thanks, Ward. I still don't get what the point was of referencing Clockwork Orange in that review.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
this thread has gotten Reddit-level bad this morning
Gonna be capn-save-a-fork and say I hope every single person on ILX understands that A) it's achingly obvious, completely understandable and even a little empathy-inducing why 100% of these reviews are changed and deleted. And I would HOPE that any human being making the transition from a college-aged minneapolis coltrane cosplayer and ska apologist to an adult new york media mogul multi-millionaire under the conde nast umbrella would have the common fucking sense to delete their shit too
and B) Deleting P4k reviews from the days when they were out here calling people retards and talking about slaying pussy should make you LAUGH and not make you ANGRY. Reddit/chan/wiki/RYM types spazzing out because an opinion on Andrew WK changed in the span of a DECADE is way, way, way, way more embarrassing than copping to "not understanding a record when it came out"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
xpost No, nor me!
― Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
I understand what he did there but it's still weird how he shifts from being "Alex" from CO and he's suddenly doing whatever he's doing. If the whole review was written as a CO hommage it would still be a terrible idea that makes no sense in relation to Coltrane but it wouldn't be as unfortunate.
― Moka, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
This thread is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)
― Moka, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
whiney otm some of you are fucking crazy
― marcos, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link
i mean a pitchfork writer posted that reddit garbage on facebook like "who even has the time to write this bullshit," and there were five comments in a row that were like "these are legitimate questions i want answered!!!!"
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
I wonder if Schreiber's seen the River Nile by now?
― how's life, Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
I just like laughing at old Pitchfork reviews.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 December 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
But p4k is a team of writers... some people like those ones on reddit don't understand those implications. A critic can give an album 9 and it never make it on their EOY list or ever be mentioned again but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. Being ashamed of things you wrote is ok.
― Moka, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
Agree with everything you're saying Whiney, but your superior style of posting is just as annoying at the reddit-lite fare that came before it.
― Position Position, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
my superior style of posting is superior for a reason, peeps
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link
and B) Deleting P4k reviews from the days when they were out here calling people retards and talking about slaying pussy should make you LAUGH and not make you ANGRY.
― Whiney G. Weingarten
anger? are people like seriously mad about this, or are we just talking shit about a now-popular site's juvenalia?
i hardly think it rises to orwellian levels of dishonesty for people to deprecate their juvenalia, even if that juvenalia takes the form of public-facing work, but i think it is also appropriate for emendations to be noted as such in the fine print somewhere.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link
but i think it is also appropriate for emendations to be noted as such in the fine print somewhere.
this reads a lot like "caring"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link
they're an indie-rock reviews site not the Wall Street Journal
man i'll never make shitposter of the year now
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link
anger? are people like seriously mad about this
i mean my evidence is anecdotal, but in my experience: yes
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:17 (seven years ago) link
not necessarily the ppl here though
that dude on reddit was pissed enough to take time out of his day to write an inane 25 question interrogation about the site's standards and practices
― altony rightano (voodoo chili), Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
almost posted the Coltrane review yesterday. some of the worst music writing of all time.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:21 (seven years ago) link
This is like the most extreme fever swamp tip of the much broader malaise of people caring about the score number way more than the actual content of the review. All of these reviews were removed for being examples of awful writing. Unsurprisingly there's a high correlation between very high or very low scores and writing that tips over from uninspired to spectacularly, memorably bad.
― Tim F, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:47 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is otm
I mean, are there ILX posts you made five years ago you wouldn't mind seeing stricken from the record? Let s/he who answers 'no' cast the first stone
― Wimmels, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
I think I repped for The Darkness once, for instance
― Wimmels, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link
try one day ago
― imago, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link
oh, and pitchfork can do what they will. peace to all
― imago, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
difference is nobody is paying us to make these posts, nobody is calling us professionals, ILX isn't putting on massive festivals, partnering with media companies, etc.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
the hollertronix guys made a decent b-more club mix. go buy that. You really don't need more than one cd of the stuff anyway(whineyg), Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:12 PM (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
I spy the makings of a potentially great new thread
― Wimmels, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
no
― imago, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:32 (seven years ago) link
come on it'll be fun
― Wimmels, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
it's already a thread on 77 anyway
― imago, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link
"ILX isn't putting on massive festivals"
by the time ilx could come up with a festival line-up - after multiple months-long poll and voting threads - everyone would be SO over all the artists picked.
― scott seward, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link
remember when Gnarls Barkley headlined the '07 ILM fest? jeez that was embarrassing.
― nomar, Thursday, 15 December 2016 16:38 (seven years ago) link