Xpost: Courtney is now in there but same as kanye, took like 9 months to get her album there.
― Moka, Saturday, 3 December 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
Also her song "Avant Gardener" which was sort of her breakthrough song (best new song in p4k if that means anything) was released in mid 2013 and it most definitely wasn't in Spotify until late 2015. Is there a way to check when Spotify added each album?
― Moka, Saturday, 3 December 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link
listening to this now and really into it. the end of "not what i needed" is kind of a blatant rip-off of their own "something soon" -- but it works, so i'm fine with it
― k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link
whoa "drunk driver/killer whales" is good shit
― k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link
yeah, it really is. "joe gets kicked out of school for doing drugs" is the other highlight for me.
― Treeship, Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
man i'm all in on this. these songs could be 20 minutes for all i care. "ballad of the costa concordia" is killing me rn
― k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
This record eventually grew on me, but I agree that it's a crawler sometimes. I think I prefer Teens of Style. "Something Soon" one was of my favorite tracks of last year.
― Chantilly Bass, Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
This is ok! It's just that weird thing they do (like w Tapes N Tapes and others) where they take a perfectly decent middle of the bill indie band that could be from anytown USA and act like it's super remarkable...but that doesn't make it bad. This is like a friend's band that you could genuinely enjoy and even listen to the cd sometimes
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:25 (seven years ago) link
this band is on Matador
― flopson, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:35 (seven years ago) link
Yah I know
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:38 (seven years ago) link
ums otm
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:26 (seven years ago) link
as I said I only liked 2 songs on the album enough to keep on rotation and find it mostly of note because of its "promise" and the timbre of the guys voice, yet I don't like the 'could just be your friend's band' line of attack. can any guitar indie rock band make "super remarkable" music, iyo? in LJ's case i understand, cuz he has a well-known preference for ott yelpy artfuck. like, "a friend's band that you could genuinely enjoy and even listen to the cd sometimes", isn't that all we're looking for?
― flopson, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:45 (seven years ago) link
i was mostly agreeing with the premise that this isn't terrible - for all that it's a big indie event album i think it has some humility and awareness of its limitations coded in. like, i won't give it more than 6/10 but if it came on in public i'd probably nod fondly. we do need stuff like that
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:06 (seven years ago) link
I guess I saw my post as a defense in a thread where a lot of people were shitting on it, not an attack. Like it's good solid indie rock of the type I've spent a lot of my life seeing...buy also i really do have friends that have made as good or better than this.
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link
part of the attraction here must be cult of personality. i can't quite put my finger on what makes mr. will toledo so charismatic and magnetic, completely apart from his work, but it's definitely there.
― splendor in the ASS (rip van wanko), Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:53 (seven years ago) link
I need to remind myself that Matador put out the first Unsane album.
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 4 December 2016 05:26 (seven years ago) link
Weird, I forgot that, they seem so Am Rep, but that wasn't until the third album and then they were on relapse, so wikipedia tells me
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 4 December 2016 14:43 (seven years ago) link
How are so many people in this thread defending this band name
― Jalapeño Coladas, Sunday, 4 December 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
Talkin' shit about Dan Bejar in this Billboard profile:
The indie circuit in particular attracts a certain type of artist that has talent but, also, attitude problems. It’s a circuit where artists can basically choose exactly how popular they want to be, and, sometimes, they’ll choose to alienate people rather than try to make it work on a larger level.
Do you have anyone in mind?
I don’t want to criticize artists, but I think like maybe someone like Dan Bejar. I really like a lot of his material, but I remember reading [an interview] where he was saying that the first New Pornographers record was shaping up to be a really big deal, so he knew that he didn’t want to be involved in that and started his own thing. It’s like come on, why can’t it be about the music. If it’s good music you shouldn’t throw it away just for the sake of your own reputation. Growing up I saw the romantic figure of the maverick musician who isn’t down to play industry games and will get successful by accident, then spend their careers messing with the heads of the industry and the audience. There was certainly an appeal to that, and then I grew up and started personally encountering artists who had this attitude. And they’re shitty people.
― Jalapeño Coladas, Sunday, 4 December 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
ums otm this is friend's band indie rock as generic as it comes. just listened to 4 songs and the effect was making me want to listen to Pavement.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 4 December 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
Otm. After listening to it yesterday I just ended up listening to Stephen Malkmus.
I don't completely hate it, but I definitely think we don't need any more music like this.
― tangenttangent, Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
I like this band but the early lo-fi DIY was much more weird, peculiar and interesting. Now he has a proper band behind him, his music is a bit less inspired and ordinary. A lot of the tracks are needlessly long too. "Drunk driver/Killer whales" and "Drugs with friends" are good tunes tho
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Sunday, 4 December 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link
that quote in billboard is so profoundly stupid.
also i gave this album a concerted shot driving around today and it actually kinda sucks, the songs aren't catchy and the performances are not good at all.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 5 December 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
/mu/ was where his early albums first got attention & a fanbase built up there but he's denied ever posting there fwiw
i enjoy most of this but mostly because it fills a specific indie rock comfort food niche. the flaws are pretty obvious though
i'd like to see him do better but i guess it's a bit worrying that he still hasn't figured out track lengths, it's a big issue with everything he's done.
― ufo, Monday, 5 December 2016 13:28 (seven years ago) link
Love the record and the overlong tracks, it is part of the charm.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I think you people who don't like this record need to get your ears checked! Cause this is an excellent record, particularly the song Unforgiving Girl.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:03 (seven years ago) link
I should resist the urge to comment, but this could be the single silliest post I have seen on ILM this decade. Why does guitar rock get attacked for even existing? Could you imagine the outrage if someone said the same thing about a new rapper or dance band? "I tried but started listening to Public Enemy. We don't need any more music like that."
People would be livid and rightly so.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:11 (seven years ago) link
fwiw I've met Dan Bejar and he's super nice
Also, I'd take Bejar's worst song a hundred times over a minute of music by this corny indie twerp
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:13 (seven years ago) link
I like Dan Bejar and Car Seat Headrest.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:18 (seven years ago) link
I like nachos
― a but (brimstead), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:19 (seven years ago) link
Fair enough but I don't think we need food like nachos anymore
― Treeship, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link
xposts
Well...false equivalence and all that, but to address your first point - I'm not attacking guitar rock, just crushingly mediocre guitar rock.
No nachos? If someone said that about vegetables people would be livid.
― tangenttangent, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:39 (seven years ago) link
another night on the message booooooard
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link
🍸
― Treeship, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:48 (seven years ago) link
so livid rn
― banfred bann (wins), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 06:27 (seven years ago) link
i am also feeling livid
― clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 06:37 (seven years ago) link
livid is way too vivid for the mehness of contempo grrtarro
― brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 07:06 (seven years ago) link
so terribly lame to mention bejar by name
― splendor in the ASS (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 07:09 (seven years ago) link
Do I need to repost this guy's episode of Amoeba's What's In My Bag?
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:06 (seven years ago) link
just watched it. it's really not that bad
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:25 (seven years ago) link
come on man
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:30 (seven years ago) link
he's just a shy guy who likes indie signifiers with an annoying voice
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:33 (seven years ago) link
― Treeship
i like nachos, but i don't think we need a new nacho recipe that tastes just like all the other nachos i've eaten in my life. like, your nacho recipe has 12% more green onions than the nachos at chili's? well sign me the fuck up.
― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:52 (seven years ago) link
I always "need" new music, because music's not like food. when you're hungry any food tastes good. bad music doesn't sound good when you're starved for music. also, I like nachos, but I eat nachos maybe twice a year. when I like a song, I listen to it a million times in a week and then effectively discard it. then, every once in a while, when reminded of it, I'll put it back in rotation for a bit. I'm not just like "well, i have 75 Pavement songs, guess I'll never need another indie rock band again because I can just listen to these ad nauseum" it doesn't work like that
― flopson, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
nachos only exist in the moment you're eating them
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 16:12 (seven years ago) link
More reason for some to hate him/them:
NPR Tiny Desk guy Bob Boilen has this as his #1 album
Teens Of Denial lifts me out of my day-to-day routine. I admire a lot of music, but this is what I want from music
http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2016/12/08/504579202/bob-boilens-top-10-albums-of-2016
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 December 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
this is what I want from music
this is both tragic and pitiable
― Wimmels, Thursday, 8 December 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
he also lists lucy dacus which is a great indie rock record by a 19-year-old
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 December 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
lucy dacus >>>>>>>>>
― flopson, Thursday, 8 December 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
I haven't listened to this yet, but legit question- does ilx not like this because it's actually a weak record or is it more because ilx is adverse to blatant "indie rock" tropes/styles that generally appeal to demographics younger than this site regardless of the strength of the record itself? Like is the defensive cynicism a bit thicker than normal prior to listening to it? It's way up on almost every year end list and I'm getting a resentment vibe here. There must be something special about it. kornrulez6969 is right in the sense that overt indie rock as a genre is least likely to have the amount of apologetics pop/dance/rap does around here from what I've seen.
All that being said, if I finally get around to it perhaps I'll agree it sucks who knows.
― Evan, Thursday, 8 December 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link