there's this of course which is pretty much an instrumental demo that Moz never got round to singing over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sBAvfM4sY
― piscesx, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
ha, yeah, i'd listen to an hour of that kind of thing!
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link
That's wonderful, thanks for posting it piscesx
― JRN, Friday, 2 December 2016 06:48 (seven years ago) link
Would've been fascinated by things like that "Fast One" clip in the 90s. Now not so much. It sounds like 2-bar segments of actual Smiths songs edited together to make an imaginary one. I don't mean it's fake, but they probably did the right thing not taking stuff like this further.
― Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 4 December 2016 06:09 (seven years ago) link
I didn't know this Smiths demo. it's pretty good and reminded me of this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa5sQuU2YjM&list=PLpAH3kPpftqrrufLr5Ei_EM_Z-i0qwAEI&index=7
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/the-smiths.jpg
ey up
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2017/07/19/smiths-there-is-a-light-that-never-goes-out-take-1/
― piscesx, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 23:51 (seven years ago) link
"This site can’t be reached
www.slicingupeyeballs.com’s server DNS address could not be found."
― groovypanda, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:03 (seven years ago) link
Google cache has the page but the same news is on the band's fb page:
https://www.facebook.com/TheSmithsOfficial/posts/10154956732592683
― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:21 (seven years ago) link
Wait, what!?
(from that FB page):
https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20155585_10155291251880225_9077061206948731071_n.jpg?oh=89e6419c6c006dfe8b20cbd49e64111b&oe=5A0C6A65
― groovypanda, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:36 (seven years ago) link
Ok, officially announced 2 days ago:
http://www.stereogum.com/1952454/details-of-the-smiths-the-queen-is-dead-super-deluxe-edition-revealed/news/
― groovypanda, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:38 (seven years ago) link
Alseep? Is that an alternative version of Asleep?
― nate woolls, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:48 (seven years ago) link
I would assume that those B-sides are just the original tracks, except (here's hoping) Rubber Ring/Asleep might segue into each other to lovely effect as they did on the original 12" – not released since.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 20 July 2017 09:05 (seven years ago) link
Plus there's a DVD of the Jarman film/s and some live gig or other
http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/the-smiths-the-queen-is-dead-reissue/
Not sure why a new master needed making of an album that was remastered only a few years ago but still
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 July 2017 09:10 (seven years ago) link
Re-issue! Re-package! Re-package!Re-evaluate the songs
― koogs, Thursday, 20 July 2017 10:17 (seven years ago) link
Really wish they had released Salford 86. Check out Frankly, Mr Shankly from that show. This is the year the album got released, and the crowd go crazy for a random album track. Incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYeRMrz4pC8
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link
31 years ago today!
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
Demos - meh. What I want is a complete Peel sessions!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 21 July 2017 02:19 (seven years ago) link
2017 master? Does this mean this is different from the remastered discography that was released a few years ago? That's my least favorite reissue strategy, the unnecessary re-remaster, like the nu-Sgt. Pepper, and the upcoming Pet Shop Boys.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 July 2017 03:35 (seven years ago) link
Yeah,but people be buying it for the demos.
And the 'segued together' Rubber Ring/Asleep. It must be. Surely.
The re-remaster is just a bonus.
― Mark G, Friday, 21 July 2017 06:47 (seven years ago) link
Just seen this factoid on the Facebook (Simon Reynolds just wrote an article about the TQID reissue and it was in reply to his post)
"Possibly my favourite little thing about TQID is the way Marr lets us know that "Cemetry Gates" is about Linder by borrowing the riff from Ludus' "Patient" as the intro/outro."
Is this a stretch? I kinda hear it in the bass but I'm not totally convinced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYo38Dy2lGM
― MaresNest, Monday, 23 October 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link
listening to this via streaming only, not positive this is a remaster beyond the one from a couple of years ago. also, at least via apple music, the 'full version' of the queen is dead isn't the one that was slipped out on that nice leaked bootleg a few years ago, which had a very extended intro; other than not having the bar song on it I'm not even sure what's different about this track. The demos are interesting but they're very very slick demos, to the point where some, I think, might be the same as used on the album just stripped of some tracks and production? anyway: I'm not buying this for $100 or whatever.
― akm, Monday, 23 October 2017 13:59 (six years ago) link
Stephen Street said they were rough mixes, not demos. I took the distinction to be that the main parts of the finished track are all there, but the mixing/overdubs hadn't been done.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 23 October 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
ah, that makes sense. that is exactly what they seem to be. are they interesting? yeah, I suppose.
― akm, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
they still hsould have put that long ass version of the title track on there though.
Steve H forum seem to think that Frank Arkwright/Marr weren't involved on this and that Moz is now back in charge of reissues etc? Surely the complete BBC sessions/ Troy Tate mixes are next?
Anyway the TQID 'demos' are mostly pretty pointless imo but the artwork is nice; amusing to see this as the inside cover artwork
https://www.morrissey-solo.com/data/attachment-files/2017/10/40937_Smiths-800x530.jpg
― piscesx, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 00:22 (six years ago) link
I believe that was something Johnny Marr saw and sent it to Morrissey with a "have you seen this?" message, M said no he hadn't but wow.
It's in Johnny's book, I believe.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 12:51 (six years ago) link
ha yeah it's a great picture.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
Artwork overall is shit though. They ruined an iconic sleeve, then replicated the shite format across 2 other LPs and a box. Very, very poor, imo. I wish Morrissey would leave the artwork alone. I won't buy any of his solo reissues because the sleeves / running order has been destroyed. The green and pink on TQID is iconic and he fucked it up with this plain, black shit. Expect everyone else to say they love it, but whatever.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
Hatful of Hollow should have stayed blue.
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
Louder Than Bombs needs to be orange -- don't tell me it's not orange anymore!?Agree about original color schemes of Smiths albums in particular. Maybe just because I stared at them a lot.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
hatful of hollow not being blue is abominable
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
how the fuck do you not include the Salford Lads Club image? It's ridiculous. Can't believe Moz removed it because he hates Mike Joyce.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
I can believe Moz removed it because he hates Mike Joyce.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
little moz, what now?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
someone rip me a copy of the reissue because I don't want to give Moz any more of my money
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
happy to do that for you Dan
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
at least he used the same picture for the cover, unlike whatever the fuck he keeps doing with his solo catalog
― akm, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
It's on Spotify. No chance of me giving real money to Ukip.
― Alba, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
oh actually it's a different picture but at least it's close enough, not some garish full color photo of morrissey's face
― akm, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
xp Fairly easy to find on Soulseek too
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
don't Smiths royalties all still go to Joyce anyway?
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
Do they? I was just making an assumption.
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
unlikely
― Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
all Morrissey's royalties on Smiths sales were supposedly going to Joyce until the judgement on his second lawsuit was paid off (basically bcz Moz refused to go to court, so Joyce got a default judgment placing a lien on Moz's cut)
this was in 2001 from a 1996 lawsuit, so maybe they've sold enough millions of records since then to polish off the debt. seems
though
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
what's this about Hatful not being blue anymore??
― piscesx, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/The-Smiths-Hatful-Of-Hollow/release/6342695
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 23:10 (six years ago) link
i think people are mistaking a t-shirt in a photo for the actual album
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link
also, the CD has always cropped sleeve dow
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yeah that CD cover has been around for 30+ years, the reissue CD in the 'Complete' box went back to the original vinyl sleeve; replica stickers and all.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 02:36 (six years ago) link