Sure to be divisive emo grunge rapper
Good example of Tim F's theory of how the best stuff these days sounds terrible on paper, the "...but better than that sounds" theorem
Nice n repulsive
I think this will bring about an interesting mix of ilx tribes splitting apart and unexpected allies finding common cause
"Beamer boy"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKalQrHXayI"About U" https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/about-u-prod-"Kiss" https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/kiss-prod-smokeasacHellboy mixtape https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/sets/hellboy
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:06 (seven years ago) link
concur that this will be divisive
does he rap at all or just make indie rock?
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:33 (seven years ago) link
Nothing about this strikes me as very "indie rock" at all, melodies sound like grunge and some songs sample emo. But many of the biggest new rappers are singing like this, keef diaspora, Uzi vert etc. peep himself comes from a scene of rappers fathered by spaceghostpurp, raider klan and pouya and fat nick, he was actually discovered by J Green who produced a lot of late era stuff for three six mafia and Dj Paul circa 2012. JGreen, Lil Peep, and another dude Ghostmane were a group called Schema Posse which had a more overt Memphis by way of spaceghostpurp in Florida sound. Since going solo Peep has melded that w a more modern rap sensibility via keef circa bang 2--the sing-song stuff with poppier melodies like "macaroni time" and "love no thotties" (you can hear explicit nods w keef adlibs scattered on Hellboy)-- which he melds again w a more pop rock sound that seems to come from emo. (You also hear Uzi vert doing something similar, people compare him to blink 182 and pop punk all the time even though he's making rap records).
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:50 (seven years ago) link
Oops "About You" link was broken: https://soundcloud.com/lil_peep/about-u-prod-brobak
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:52 (seven years ago) link
Melds might be the wrong word but he's making the underlying pop melodic associations we have with pop punk connecting to current day rap more explicit by using rock music textures in his production where most straight up rap artists still are fairly comfy with synthesizers
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:57 (seven years ago) link
I realize I'm mixing pop punk and emo and grunge in and out of the soup of sonic touchpoints here but I think those are purposeful textural elements for a guy who is centered in a rap tradition even though it will probably come off to many people as just being ... rock
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 12:59 (seven years ago) link
the guitars on "the way I see things" sound like Best Coast
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 November 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
dunno where you get "grunge," that stuff was all about chromatic harmonies iirc, which you won't find here
poptimism has gone to far on this shitty website
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 6 November 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
"Unlike the other late-20s ironic message board whites, this guy got into lil ugly mane BEFORE he got into shitty consequence of sound indie rock, not the other way around. Dicks out for Harambe"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 6 November 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link
Who gave the dude from Salem an acoustic guitar and voice lessons
― ¶ (DJP), Sunday, 6 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
i'm mostly interested in lil peep as a sex symbol but some of his music is pretty cool
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 November 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link
hellboy tape leans a little acoustic guitar for me. it sounds to me like what post malone thinks he is, like dirty skeezed out druggie post-keef teen zeitgest music except post malone is a rich kid playing dress up. (i guess i can't pretend to know peep's background so maybe more to the point is that he sells the persona better regardless.)
some of the pre-hellboy stuff on youtube that is a little more grounded in rap production sounded a bit more right to my ears
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 November 2016 19:38 (seven years ago) link
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:54 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You won't? I'm not the only one making this comparison but something like "omfg" off hellboy makes me think grunge way more than fucking best coast
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:59 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This isn't ironic at all though! Thread wouldn't be complete without Whiney's inaccurate hipster studies I guess
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
I'm not sure grunge was about harmonies at all tbh, certainly a certain melodic sensibility though
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
what does this guy do that bones didn't
sd is my favorite grunge rapper
― based grandpa (noz), Sunday, 6 November 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
one of the main things that set grunge apart was it leaned toward modes it was imo copping from old zeppelin records but whether that's the case or not, their dudes tended to favor scales & harmonies outside the trad hard rock blues & minor blues that had informed most-but-not-all of the heavy music prior to grunge. melodies and harmonies go hand in hand, the modes yr favoring are gonna suggest sympathetic harmonies. alice in chains to me is the classic example of the "grunge harmony" but nirvana, stp, soundgarden lean hard on phrygian & aeolian modes and their vocal harmonies reflect that in a way that's super-important to how the genre sounds imo.
"the way I see things," the track I mentioned as sounding like best coast, does not sound like any of that, but does sound like best coast.
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
I hear the best coast comparison in the ~atmospheric gauzy production sound don't get me wrong but that feels like an incidental product of the scene he's coming out of
He's different than bones because he's singing & has a more interesting sense for melody and is not rapping in the 3000th iteration of lord infamous flows. His music is also just a lot less dry--more (melo)dramatic, romantic
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link
Also yes I understand that grunge relied on different melodic tools and I'm arguing to you that this is something Lil Peep is also coming to, almost seemingly by accident. Most of the songs on hellboy remind me more immediately of Alice In Chains melodically than any recent indie
And I'm speaking of his vocal melodies here not the instrumentation per se tho I do think there are some beats which could fit this aesthetically
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:22 (seven years ago) link
well, I give any musician full credit for arriving at whatever musical destination he/she arrives at, so I think this guy gets to be credited with making something new out of the stuff that informs his own work, we just differ on what that stuff is. I just hear very very little of what you're ref'ing and a lot more 'verbed guitar/millennial "whoop" you'll forgive me/anthemic indie than I do the aggressively 'we are not blues-based or major key' gestures of the grunge bros. this guy sounds like the mainstream lil b to me. you probably hate lil b, I'm agnostic I just like to think about rap and casually keep track of what's going on, but his whole vibe, based on what I've checked out since this morning, feels very mainstream indie to me.
just based on my own experiences, I think a lot of rap dudes listen to a lot more indie rock than people generally suspect (cf. "the recipe")
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:34 (seven years ago) link
lol i thought bones did sing but i guess i'm remembering him wrong
anyway lil peep is not good sorry man
― based grandpa (noz), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:48 (seven years ago) link
Now that we've already gotten to "you're just wrong actually" I'm Excited for the potential of this thread
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 23:07 (seven years ago) link
Also forgot how defensive people were about the artistic seriousness of 90s alternative lol where's flopson to remind me of the context of the last time we had this argument
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 23:09 (seven years ago) link
dude I hate that music unreservedly, 100% of it, but I know once you get shown where your claims don't work you resort to all manner of hilarious strategies. I knew once actual musical terms came into the discussion you'd weave though, never change bro
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link
How have I been shown my claims don't work? Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge hasn't been "disproven" because you said you listened to one song and thought it reminded you of beach house.
Dropping a bunch of musical terms that btw I am actually familiar with--I studied jazz and am very familiar w the Dorian and phyrgian modes & what they mean harmonically is not some decisive death blow to an argument about an artist you've given a cursory skim. I haven't addressed your specific claims mainly bc you kept talking about "harmonies" when I was talking about a vocalist's *melodic* sensibilities? One who doesn't often harmonize
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link
Being that he is basing his music around loops like most rap artists of course the songs don't have the underlying harmonic structure of grunge but then that was never a claim I made
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link
i did not study jazz and i am not familiar with phyrgian modes but still i am confident that lil peep is not good
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:57 (seven years ago) link
"I studied jazz and this, like everything I see and hear, sounds like Chief Keef"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 00:58 (seven years ago) link
Chris you haven't actually been in touch with what's going on in rap since the Clinton administration
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
But I'm stoked to figure out what new stone you can possibly overturn to say something new about run the jewels next time though
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:09 (seven years ago) link
At least this time noz can't delete evidence of being wrong like he did w his blogs
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:10 (seven years ago) link
david if you deleted your blogs would anyone notice
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:19 (seven years ago) link
Good point that has a lot of of bearing on this conversation that you felt obliged to respond to for some reason
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/UVqPbnRA3vjOw/giphy.gif
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:25 (seven years ago) link
Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge
in what way do they remind you of 90s grunge? This should be easy, as 90s grunge had several really distinctive musical qualities that set it apart from the hard rock of the day. I don't hear any of these in the stuff you linked; I do hear, and showed you in easy to understand terms, Beach House and mainstream indie. you don't like the idea of boosting something that reminds you of stuff you'd rather not be culturally aligned with, so you say it doesn't sound like that stuff, but it kinda does. sorry! a lot of the metal I like reminds me of Paganini, even though I do not like Paganini. Those are the breaks!
attempting to argue this on a legit musical basis w/deej w/o ad-homs tho obv we all know how that'll end but w/e
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:26 (seven years ago) link
(also for the record actually discussing what's going on is not "dropping musical terms." I know you can't help but think of actual musical discussion that way, but that's on you, not on people who like to talk about music.)
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:27 (seven years ago) link
sorry i'll get back on topic - lil peep is not good
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:31 (seven years ago) link
at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:39 (seven years ago) link
The melodies
He uses
Are often not blues-based
Sounds to me like he does make frequent use chromatic intervals but I haven't rigorously reviewed his work from a musicological perspective so I'm not going to lean on a musicological argument--besides, you asking me to do so is clearly a trap along the lines of when ppl thought I was trying to say keef was being "complex" and therefore good by taking an unorthodox rhythmic approach
All I can say is that the melodic choices he makes remind me of the gloomy depressed trapped feel of stuff like Alice In Chains & similar 90s grunge stars that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.
I do think it's funny that an indie rock artist is trying to convince me of the vast influence of indie in the year of our lord 2016 when about 8 people still listen or talk about indie rock
And while I'm not as familiar with his influences in this area, I do know he's sampled multiple emo records, which suggests to me his influences are probably more along those lines than traditional indie as such
How in all these threads where three people (inevitably one of them is always Joan Crawford of the band best coast) pile on me abt the music I like in their most condescending shitthead tones always throw up their hands and accuse me of ad hominem attacks part way through
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:01 (seven years ago) link
Wait -- noz what do you think of lil peep?
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, November 6, 2016 7:39 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You're just showing how little you know about the scene he comes from but keep going good to have these with time stamps and everything.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link
I should mention that it's not just the melodies but the texture of many of the beats and the sneering smeared singing style that enhances teh grunge aesthetic in my mind
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:09 (seven years ago) link
well david i'm glad you asked i think - and know - that lil peep is not good
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:12 (seven years ago) link
Give Willy his tweet style back
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:14 (seven years ago) link
haha i am willying a bit the internet is fun
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
i sort of see where david is coming from re grunge but ultimately i hear more depressed cali junkie RHCP/sublime vibes than seattle grunge
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 November 2016 02:34 (seven years ago) link
There's def some of that too. Kind of a louche LA burnout thing. "Girls" def should have had a John fruscianti feature
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:45 (seven years ago) link
Idk about sublime though
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:46 (seven years ago) link
hm, this is not good on first contact but hey
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:58 (seven years ago) link
That’s completely false. Are you talking about the huge times feature on the new rap underground where he calls peep the scene’s Kurt cobain and barely touches on xxx? Just give up forks, you’re being dumb
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 08:21 (six years ago) link
And yes he got super into peep knockoff Nothing Nowhere for some reason but pointing out that he preferred one white emo rapper to another doesn’t make a very compelling case that no one cares about white emo rappers until they die
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 08:22 (six years ago) link
yeah Caramanica did a podcast on the scene heavily featuring peep months before he died
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
pointing out that he preferred one white emo rapper to another doesn’t make a very compelling case that no one cares about white emo rappers until they die
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
dude this stuff you're giving deej shit for is just the way he post . I'm not sure what your goal is by doing this over and over . do you not want him to post here anymore ?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
yeah this is some bad faith shit
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross. Past that, I suggested that the main reason that conversation on peep has shifted from critical to reverent is because he died way too early. This is not shocking; nobody wants to speak ill of the dead. Nobody said "no one cares about white emo rappers until they die" except you.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
outside of those points, i got nothing to say about peep, so I'll clear the floor.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
lil peep was good and deej was right itt
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
is gym class the same song as beamer boy?
anyway, it all feels like Harmony Korine's take on trap rap to me.
― Ludo, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
("never on the streets, cuz I'll never leave my home") is kinda Why-esque nerdy cool though.
― Ludo, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross.
And this argument is a shallow & obvious fig leaf for your personal resentment bc there’s nothing gross about what i said, It’s a neutral observation about how fast the critical narrative shifted that you’re bringing a whole bunch of baggage into of your own. Please fuck off
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/2/25/Perpetual-motion-machine-1.gif/revision/latest?cb=20160312040218
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
Peep's love for RHCP is pretty endearing and kinda explains a lot imo. Got me to revisit their catalog with new ears around when he passed and deej posted that tweet of his upthread (also saw them live around that time).
― fgti spinner (Spottie), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
fucking great song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEoVjmfYlJ8
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
I really love “come on over when you’re sober, pt 1.” Kind of crude but earnest, charming and at moments heartbreaking. Kills me that this kid—who was 9 years younger than me I think—is dead and just reinforces my hatred of drugs
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 23 September 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link
happened to watch this yt awhile back on a slow work day, its good but be warned i could not believe & was a bit shaken up by the image of peep having od'd (its @ 23:44 according to a comment)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_7I0BIz8vQ
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
Wait they include an image of him after having od’d in the video?
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
If u were incapable of appreciating lil peep I feel sorry for u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORsrbQa94M
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
god this thread is so good
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 November 2018 02:37 (five years ago) link
Jesus that song is great
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
http://p4k.in/CKVxguj
Lol
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 18 November 2018 06:04 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHo8iXA2yU
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 November 2018 06:16 (five years ago) link
skip to 2:24
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 November 2018 06:20 (five years ago) link
painful writing xp
― flopson, Sunday, 18 November 2018 08:23 (five years ago) link
Billy Corgon otm
― flopson, Sunday, 18 November 2018 08:28 (five years ago) link
Billy Corgan is right, but at the same time an unbearable prick, also he thinks he's called "Little Peep"
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 18 November 2018 12:01 (five years ago) link
Billy crogan for preisdent
― rip van wanko, Sunday, 18 November 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
i love that song "falling down"
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 23 November 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
and runaway. i like this posthumous album.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 23 November 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
cowys 2 is just about the only stuff of his I actively dislike
― rip van wanko, Friday, 23 November 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link
yea it is bad
― johnny crunch, Friday, 23 November 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
It’s not perfect but idk that it’s some huge fall off... somedefinite peep classics in here
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 23 November 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/lil-peeps-mother-liza-womack-talks-about-her-sons-life-and-legacy/
― johnny crunch, Friday, 30 November 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
seems like he was a sweet kid
― johnny crunch, Friday, 30 November 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
That p4k review of hellboy is so pathetic
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 29 September 2019 07:10 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV7qfPcyaXQ
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 23:43 (four years ago) link
enjoyed the doc, its well done~
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxNVLEpmwQ
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 00:18 (four years ago) link
my first gold record miss ya gus pic.twitter.com/bDgJj4a7YG— nedarb (@NEDARBNAGROM) February 5, 2020
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link
the song from OP
i was crushing it in this thread right up until the moment i predicted post malone would flop 🥴
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 01:53 (four years ago) link
Lol you win some you lose some
― Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 02:56 (four years ago) link
That's the producer I was referring to in my first post on this thread.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link
― Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 8:56 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink
lose lose in this case
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 9 February 2020 03:29 (four years ago) link
This song is doing some streams now, two years after its release ... pretty interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2ypP3Xwq8
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 08:32 (four years ago) link
A billion streams for star shopping
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyZMIluujcc/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Congrats to indie rock’s biggest success
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Sunday, 15 October 2023 17:05 (eleven months ago) link
I recently interrogated a 14 year old about her favorite music, and she said her big 3 are:Lil PeepWeezerLed Zeppelin
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Sunday, 15 October 2023 17:20 (eleven months ago) link
been meaning to check the joint album with makonnen
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Monday, 16 October 2023 00:28 (eleven months ago) link
Man that "Star Shopping" Insta post made me real sad. Such a massive loss in pop culture. Such a singular writer. The photos of him with his Grandpa really hit me in a heavy way.
I admire how his Mom has handled his estate. Feel like her voice and the clear love that she had for her son really comes through in the promo materials.
― ripersnifle, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 03:11 (eleven months ago) link