Is THE LODGER David Bowie's best record?

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This is one of the all-time great threads on ILM. However, it drives me crazy that this thread title incorrectly adds the definite article to the album title. It's just Lodger.

Davey D, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link

that THE is the worst microsecond's work i ever did on the borad, trufax

mark s, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 21:32 (eight years ago) link

my original vinyl pressing had a massive CLICK during the quiet part of FY.
so, i took it back.
second version : same thing.
so i came to accept it.
fast forward many many years.
i get the cd remasters.
the absence of the CLICK felt weird.
i my head i still hear the CLICK.

mark e, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 21:42 (eight years ago) link

I find the THE a great touch

Fantastic Voyage a hard act to follow imo

niels, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link

+1

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 4 November 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link

I love the vocal on 'Fantastic Voyage'

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Saturday, 5 November 2016 00:07 (eight years ago) link

i love lodger. i also love bts and shearwater now, the first because their song in the 90s loved lodger, and the latter because they are now fucking awesome and fucking awesome at loving lodger

(also makes me a little sad b/c i found the 1940 us census, which describes my then 10 y/o kentucky-born mom, living with friends of family, as "Lodger.") end of how lodger owns me.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Saturday, 5 November 2016 01:54 (eight years ago) link

Some days I listen to 'Look Back In Anger' and think to myself "shit, this really was the best rhythm section Bowie ever had."

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Sunday, 6 November 2016 20:03 (eight years ago) link

ten months pass...

it turns out that tony v has remixed lodger for release in a bit.

not sure how i feel about this as i genuinely think its a perfect album.

its supposedly a very subtle remix, but still ...

mark e, Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link

I'd need more details but I'm pretty sure that a remix isn't necessary.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link

According to the liner notes Bowie heard and emphatically approved at least three tracks, it doesn't actually say if he lived to hear the rest, they were working on Blackstar at roughly the same time.

Also it seems like it's not a completely radical remix but not exactly a subtle tweak either.

MaresNest, Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link

Actually thinking about it, Lodger is probably the Bowie album that's aged the best.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link

Actually thinking about it, Lodger is probably the Bowie album that's aged the best.

i have never had to think about it.
and yeah, its supposed to be a subtle touch up i.e. remove some of the clutter
but ... i like the clutter.
its the clutter that makes the album different and brilliant.

mark e, Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link

Otm

albvivertine, Saturday, 23 September 2017 23:01 (seven years ago) link

fantastic voyage is one of the best bowie songs ever

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 24 September 2017 07:00 (seven years ago) link

For some reason, I don't think this is really a good idea, although it's kinda well known that Visconti has always been dissatisfied with the way that Lodger turned out. Of course, I'm going to listen to it and A-B it as much as any Bowie fan will, but I don't think re-working it is necessary.

If there's any Bowie album I'd like to see re-mixed/re-worked, it's probably hours...

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 24 September 2017 08:17 (seven years ago) link

'Fantastic Voyage' has fucked me up every time I've heard it since November. Feels way too on-the-nose.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 13:00 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, it's definitely one that's had a lot of power recently... particularly over the last couple of years!

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 24 September 2017 13:25 (seven years ago) link

It was mentioned just upthread, but in case anyone missed it, Shearwater have done a great cover of the whole album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk4Z7OhpXyw&list=PLbbmBIT_TF6njuC-2IbUiBxom8UxKJdLv

heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 24 September 2017 13:30 (seven years ago) link

Sorry, that didn't seem to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk4Z7OhpXyw

heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 24 September 2017 13:32 (seven years ago) link

Iirc The band said they had been planning to include a song by song cover of Lodger in their set during their last tour before Bowie died, which is crazy.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 September 2017 14:52 (seven years ago) link

Yeah that's how it went.

heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 24 September 2017 14:56 (seven years ago) link

Goddamn anagram, thanks for sharing that. Never heard any Shearwater - that performance is really really impressive
They're clearly having a blast doing it. Goosebumps.

willem, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link

New Visconti remix of Lodger on the A New Career In A New Town box is a revealing curio, as these things usually are - Eno backing vox on "African Night Flight" are particularly interesting...

But man, "Red Sails" done got ruined.

Davey D, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link

What’s the new box? Diamond dogs through lodger?

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link

(Low through Scary Monsters)

sleeve, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link

Oh did they already do a box for DD-STS?

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link

these shearwater covers are fantastic.

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link

i enjoy the reversed vocal simulation in move on

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:28 (seven years ago) link

No, it's a chaos.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link

ha I couldn't tell. I thought he might have doing it all himself.

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link

*might have been

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link

no chaos pad required in that scramble

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link

can we change this thread title for the love of god?!?!?!?!!!1111

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:21 (seven years ago) link

end the shame of the single word i shouldn't have typed on ilx

mark s, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link

Change thread title to THE

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link

Is Roomers Davewood MacBowie's Best Record?

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link

'Roombas' by Fleetwood Vac.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link

thread title always reminds me of this... from the john peel quotes thread:

As Sonic Youth's "Silver Rocket" fades out..
"I love the way they come romping in with all that feedback in the middle - just like The Pink Floyd."

― everything, Tuesday, October 26, 2004 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

new noise, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link

Need a companion thread: Is LODGER Alfred Hitchcock's best film?

Dan Worsley, Friday, 29 September 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link

this thread title is legendary, never change imo

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:26 (seven years ago) link

it says literally everyone is fallible, including the person i tend to think isn't

mark s, Friday, 29 September 2017 21:31 (seven years ago) link

I Agree with Alex in New York: Sure, Lodger is cool and all, but Diamond Dogs is a much more interesting record...and a helluvalot more fun.

― Lord Custos, Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:00 PM

yeah no

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:31 (seven years ago) link

this has been a great episode of the lodgers

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link

Lodger is way better than diamond dogs..DD is one of my least favourites aside from 1984

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:24 (seven years ago) link

Oh Shearwaters cover is alltime, what is the song where the mic stand collapses? One of my favorite performances for capturing the spirit of a performance. I think he said like "everyone was going so hard and right, I couldn't stop."

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:38 (seven years ago) link

Now I'm listening to my rip, I think it's Red Sails.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:43 (seven years ago) link

Nope Look Back in Anger for sure. Sorry, I love the hell out of this and still forgot.

Fuck they rule imo, tho I'm a bit up and down on their discography.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Saturday, 30 September 2017 00:58 (seven years ago) link

this thread title is legendary, never change imo

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, September 29, 2017 2:26 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's of a piece with are "tim machine" the best thing david bowie ?

brimstead, Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:51 (seven years ago) link


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