I don't know how good this liberal arts college's student body is as a representation of kidstoday but this is a piece that last year's students seemed to like. Ligeti/Penderecki seemed to interest them the most.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
Maybe because in a weird way, this piece, and something like Atmospheres or Lux Aeterna, are less obviously dated than, say, In C. You could still use them in a sci-fi or horror flick today, and I think they'd have the exact same effect as they did when Kubrick used them 40 years ago.
― Dominique, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, when I watched Under the Skin, I was trying to figure out what Penderecki piece they were using before I realised it was a younger composer using similar techniques. I used clips from 2001 and The Shining in class and a bunch said the latter was among their favourite films.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
bartok, penderecki and lutoslawski are all still really popular sources for film composers
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, when I watched Under the Skin, I was trying to figure out what Penderecki piece they were using before I realised it was a younger composer using similar techniques.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:08 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
micachu, you've made it
silently in awe of all this btw, my next 5 years of music listenership are sorted
― imago, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link
They seemed OK with the later Reich/Glass stuff but it also didn't seem to strike them as particularly mindblowing so much as "the kind of thing that would come up on my Pandora station".
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link
haha
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
The top 4 pieces were the only ones that actually made it to a majority of the ballots. There is one composer who wrote two of the top four.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link
keeping w/my original guess, would have to be Messiaen x 2, Reich, Stravinsky?
― Dominique, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
Off to a good start:4 Olivier Messiaen - Quatuor pour le fin de temps Points: 1225 Votes: 10 #1 Votes: 0http://csosoundsandstories.org/wp-content/uploads/quartet_end_time-980x520.jpg
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
No Intégrales? Was it even nominated? I was sort of counting on it placing earlier, just because it's my favorite Varese.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link
Edgard Varese - ArcanaEdgard Varese - Density 21.5Edgard Varèse - Désertsedgard varèse - Ionisation
but no Intégrales
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
A recap before we get to the top 3:
4 Olivier Messiaen - Quatuor pour le fin de temps5 Krzysztof Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima6 Henryk Gorecki - Symphony No. 3 'Symphony of Sorrowful Songs'7 Maurice Ravel - Boléro8 Igor Stravinsky - Firebird9 Terry Riley - In C10 George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue11 Bela Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta12 Igor Stravinsky - Petrushka13 Morton Feldman - Rothko Chapel14 Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte15 Steve Reich - Drumming16 Philip Glass - Einstein on the Beach17 Gyorgy Ligeti - Atmosphères18 Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa19 Jean Sibelius - Tapiola20 Steve Reich - Different Trains21 Claude Debussy - Preludes (Books 1 and 2)22 Arvo Pärt - Fratres23 Claude Debussy - Prélude a l'après-midi d'un faune (Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun)24 Gustav Holst - The Planets25 Leonard Bernstein et al - West Side Story26 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 627 Duke Ellington - The Far East Suite28 John Cage - 4'33'29 Philip Glass - Music in 12 Parts30 Olivier Messiaen - L'Ascension31 Karlheinz Stockhausen - Stimmung32 Glenn Branca - Symphony no. 333 Igor Stravinsky - Agon34 Luciano Berio - Sinfonia35 Alban Berg - Wozzeck35 Gyorgy Ligeti - Requiem37 Gyorgy Ligeti - Lux Aeterna38 Gabriel Fauré - Requiem in D minor39 Claude Debussy - Nocturnes40 Claude Debussy - La mer41 Bela Bartok - Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion42 Arvo Pärt - Cantus in memoriam Benjamin Britten43 John Cage - Sonatas and Interludes for the Prepared Piano44 Steve Reich - Tehillim45 Claude Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola, and Harp46 Jean Sibelius - Symphony no. 647 Ennio Morricone - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly48 Alfred Schnittke - Concerto for Choir49 Gavin Bryars - Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet50 Arnold Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire51 edgard varèse - Ionisation52 Benjamin Britten - Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings53 Philip Glass - Music in Similar Motion54 Bela Bartok - Mikrokosmos55 John Zorn - Cobra56 Bela Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra57 Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kreuzspiel58 Edgard Varese - Density 21.559 Louis Andriessen - De Staat60 Maurice Ravel - Rapsodie espagnole61 Yamashiro Shoji (with Geinoh Yamashirogumi) - Akira (Original Soundtrack)62 Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 463 Maurice Ravel - String Quartet in F64 Benjamin Britten - War Requiem65 Steve Reich - Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Organ66 Pierre Boulez - le marteau sans maître67 Brian Eno - Discreet Music68 John Luther Adams - Become Ocean69 Jerry Goldsmith - Alien, film score70 Gustav Mahler - Das Lied von der Erde71 Igor Stravinsky - Les Noces72 Claude Debussy - String Quartet in G Minor73 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 974 Gavin Bryars - The Sinking of the Titanic75 Antonin Dvořák - Symphony no. 9 ('New World')76 Iannis Xenakis - Pithoprakta76 Steve Reich - Sextet78 Charles Ives - The Unanswered Question79 Jean Sibelius - Symphony No. 480 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 581 Philip Glass - Akhnaten82 George Gershwin - An American In Paris83 Antonin Dvořák - Rusalka84 Steve Reich - Piano Phase85 Giacomo Puccini - Manon Lescaut86 Claude Debussy - Etudes87 Scott Joplin - The Entertainer88 luciano berio - Sequenza III (for female voice)89 Igor Stravinsky - Symphonies of Wind Instruments90 Ennio Morricone - For A Few Dollars More, film score90 Les Baxter - Quiet Village92 Glenn Branca - Symphony no. 13 ('Hallucination City')93 Maurice Duruflé - Requiem94 Arvo Pärt - Magnificat95 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 396 John Cage - First Construction in Metal97 Meredith Monk - Dolmen Music98 Iannis Xenakis - Metastasis99 Benjamin Britten - The Turn of the Screw, opera after Henry James100 Gérard Grisey - Les espaces acoustiques
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 22:51 (seven years ago) link
Dom is 2 for 2 so far:3 Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians Points: 1234 Votes: 10 #1 Votes: 0http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/production_main_image/images/160524_icms_colin_currie_steve_reich_20_image_ben_larpent_web.jpg
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:33 (seven years ago) link
My #2.
vivid memory of a friend from college saying "this is the one that just put my mom over the edge"
― sleeve, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:35 (seven years ago) link
I threw this a vote, maybe my bottom place or at least very low on my ballot. Good hangover music, that's about all I really use it for.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
So "Gruppen" isn't going to be #1, I take it?
― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:45 (seven years ago) link
after 98 pieces of obscurantist pish i'm holding out for a bit of john williams
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:50 (seven years ago) link
Def had 18 Musicians pegged for number 1
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:54 (seven years ago) link
Looks like Debussy and Reich each placed 7 in the top 100, more than anyone else. Debussy completely shut out of the top 20 tho.
― Ari (whenuweremine), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:59 (seven years ago) link
3 for 3:2 Olivier Messiaen - Turangalîla-Symphonie Points: 1458 Votes: 11 #1 Votes: 1http://slurmed.com/3d/alanquest/005_turanga-leela-3d-layout_by-alanquest.jpg
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:42 (seven years ago) link
It looks like most people have gone to sleep but I'll finish this off tonight. I doubt the #1 will be a surprise:1 Igor Stravinsky - Le sacre du printemps (The Rite of Spring) Points: 1502 Votes: 12 #1 Votes: 1http://i.huffpost.com/gen/975052/images/o-THE-RITE-OF-SPRING-100-facebook.jpg
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:49 (seven years ago) link
My #7.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:50 (seven years ago) link
The whole list:
1 Igor Stravinsky - Le sacre du printemps (The Rite of Spring)2 Olivier Messiaen - Turangalîla-Symphonie3 Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians4 Olivier Messiaen - Quatuor pour le fin de temps5 Krzysztof Penderecki - Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima6 Henryk Gorecki - Symphony No. 3 'Symphony of Sorrowful Songs'7 Maurice Ravel - Boléro8 Igor Stravinsky - Firebird9 Terry Riley - In C10 George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue11 Bela Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta12 Igor Stravinsky - Petrushka13 Morton Feldman - Rothko Chapel14 Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte15 Steve Reich - Drumming16 Philip Glass - Einstein on the Beach17 Gyorgy Ligeti - Atmosphères18 Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa19 Jean Sibelius - Tapiola20 Steve Reich - Different Trains21 Claude Debussy - Preludes (Books 1 and 2)22 Arvo Pärt - Fratres23 Claude Debussy - Prélude a l'après-midi d'un faune (Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun)24 Gustav Holst - The Planets25 Leonard Bernstein et al - West Side Story26 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 627 Duke Ellington - The Far East Suite28 John Cage - 4'33'29 Philip Glass - Music in 12 Parts30 Olivier Messiaen - L'Ascension31 Karlheinz Stockhausen - Stimmung32 Glenn Branca - Symphony no. 333 Igor Stravinsky - Agon34 Luciano Berio - Sinfonia35 Alban Berg - Wozzeck35 Gyorgy Ligeti - Requiem37 Gyorgy Ligeti - Lux Aeterna38 Gabriel Fauré - Requiem in D minor39 Claude Debussy - Nocturnes40 Claude Debussy - La mer41 Bela Bartok - Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion42 Arvo Pärt - Cantus in memoriam Benjamin Britten43 John Cage - Sonatas and Interludes for the Prepared Piano44 Steve Reich - Tehillim45 Claude Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola, and Harp46 Jean Sibelius - Symphony no. 647 Ennio Morricone - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly48 Alfred Schnittke - Concerto for Choir49 Gavin Bryars - Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet50 Arnold Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire51 edgard varèse - Ionisation52 Benjamin Britten - Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings53 Philip Glass - Music in Similar Motion54 Bela Bartok - Mikrokosmos55 John Zorn - Cobra56 Bela Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra57 Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kreuzspiel58 Edgard Varese - Density 21.559 Louis Andriessen - De Staat60 Maurice Ravel - Rapsodie espagnole61 Yamashiro Shoji (with Geinoh Yamashirogumi) - Akira (Original Soundtrack)62 Bela Bartok - String Quartet no. 463 Maurice Ravel - String Quartet in F64 Benjamin Britten - War Requiem65 Steve Reich - Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Organ66 Pierre Boulez - le marteau sans maître67 Brian Eno - Discreet Music68 John Luther Adams - Become Ocean69 Jerry Goldsmith - Alien, film score70 Gustav Mahler - Das Lied von der Erde71 Igor Stravinsky - Les Noces72 Claude Debussy - String Quartet in G Minor73 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 974 Gavin Bryars - The Sinking of the Titanic75 Antonin Dvořák - Symphony no. 9 ('New World')76 Iannis Xenakis - Pithoprakta76 Steve Reich - Sextet78 Charles Ives - The Unanswered Question79 Jean Sibelius - Symphony No. 480 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 581 Philip Glass - Akhnaten82 George Gershwin - An American In Paris83 Antonin Dvořák - Rusalka84 Steve Reich - Piano Phase85 Giacomo Puccini - Manon Lescaut86 Claude Debussy - Etudes87 Scott Joplin - The Entertainer88 luciano berio - Sequenza III (for female voice)89 Igor Stravinsky - Symphonies of Wind Instruments90 Ennio Morricone - For A Few Dollars More, film score90 Les Baxter - Quiet Village92 Glenn Branca - Symphony no. 13 ('Hallucination City')93 Maurice Duruflé - Requiem94 Arvo Pärt - Magnificat95 Gustav Mahler - Symphony no. 396 John Cage - First Construction in Metal97 Meredith Monk - Dolmen Music98 Iannis Xenakis - Metastasis99 Benjamin Britten - The Turn of the Screw, opera after Henry James100 Gérard Grisey - Les espaces acoustiques
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:54 (seven years ago) link
Excellent poll. Thank you, Sund4r.
― esempiu (crüt), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:56 (seven years ago) link
yes, thank you
anyone who wants to put a Spotify list together, well I've got this bookmarked so plz post
― sleeve, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link
Jon's been working hard on the playlist: https://open.spotify.com/user/1213493496/playlist/1gdrjEQPZiP44ODeNysAyS
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:13 (seven years ago) link
And you're welcome! Thanks to everyone who participated! And definitely to Jon for the playlist.
Just completed playlist 10 seconds ago.
If I get really bored at work maybe I'll make an alternate cut using different recordings of the pieces.
Great poll, with extremely interesting absences! I bewail the non-placement of crumb, saariaho, koechlin and Ohana especially. (Well, I thought crumb had a chance at least)
ILX likes minimalists and massive totemic modernism!
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:23 (seven years ago) link
Excellent poll - I have a lot of listening to do. Thanks for running it, Sund4r.
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:32 (seven years ago) link
Thanks for the poll. As far as I know I've never heard any of Turangalilla before. Checking it out now (on a first inattentive listen). I doubt I will force myself to listen to everything in the playlist, but there are quite a few pieces I intend to check out. Definitely more interested in Sibelius than I was previously, thanks to what I've heard so far.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:17 (seven years ago) link
Wasn't Turangalilla someone's ILX handle or at least display name? That was where I first saw "Turangalilla" at all (that I can recall). Of course, for all I know I might have heard some of it at some point. (WXPN did used to play a lot of Messiaen.)
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:19 (seven years ago) link
It is famously Matt groening's favorite piece of music fwiw
Turangalila was a regular poster around here for years but he left after a clusterfuck
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:38 (seven years ago) link
but he left after a clusterfuck
Say no more.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link
(Oops, thought I was seeing a double "l" in the title.)
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:44 (seven years ago) link
Nice list, overall. Glad to see Feldman, Debussy Preludes, Tapiola all placing highly. Surprised at relatively little Ravel. Missing the piano concertos, La valse, piano trio, Gaspard, and his masterpiece Daphnis & Chloe.
Shostakovich and Prokofiev probably hurt by vote-splitting. A lot was nominated, and a lot more didn't even get nominated. (Including DSCH's Symphony 10, which is a little surprising.) And neither of them have a well-acknowledged masterwork to rally around, though this didn't hurt Sibelius. Same goes for Strauss, who probably didn't even come close to the list I guess? Maybe Salome could have made it. Four Last Songs was on my ballot in the top ten. I think he might be sorta out of fashion these days?
Not many Brits. Britten, Holst, Bryars, Eno...that's it I guess. Not too surprising, but Elgar, Vaughan Williams, Delius, Walton all left out.
― Ari (whenuweremine), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:52 (seven years ago) link
I voted delius very high (song of the high hills)
Crazy that turn of the screw got in but Peter grimes didn't! I was kind of strategic in my screw vote because I figured grimes was a shoo-in and didn't need me.
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:57 (seven years ago) link
I've never really got into Stravinsky (maybe some day), but I'm very happy Turangalîla made it to #2! I had no idea it was so popular, but it deserves it, feels like it has everything that's good and inspiring and moving and freaky about 20th century classical music.
Even at the risk of sounding parochial, I would highly recommend this recent recording of it by the Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra (with Angela Hewitt on piano and Valérie Hartmann-Claverie on the ondes Martenot). It's remarkably good, I got the goosebumps when I first listened to it... Certainly better than the "official", Messiaen-approved DG recording from the early '90s.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 06:11 (seven years ago) link
And yeah, in the end there was only one woman in the top 100, which I find quite disappointing, though not surprising. Not blaming any of you, we already discussed the reason why women are often excluded from the canon upthread.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 06:12 (seven years ago) link
BALLORO! Post your Top 100 Notated Pieces of Music Since 1890 poll ballots here!
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 07:19 (seven years ago) link
Nothing parochial about recommending recordings on Ondine records. Finnish orchestras are some of the best in the world and they seem to have produced a never ending supply of great conductors to lead them. I almost picked that version of turangalila just based on the people involved.
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 11:09 (seven years ago) link
I have that same recording. It's fantastic. Maybe I'd be parochial for recommending an Angela Hewitt recording?
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 12:47 (seven years ago) link
Missed the last few slots, but thoroughly enjoyed this poll! Think it's the first time I've ever actually matched a #1 on my own ballot. Thanks Sund4r for running!!!
― Dominique, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:06 (seven years ago) link
yes thanks v much sund4r, this has been a lot of fun. looking forward to plundering all yr individual lists now...
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
No prob, everyone. Glad you enjoyed it.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:21 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, big thanks Sund4r!
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:28 (seven years ago) link
I wonder how much both Messiaen and Penderecki have benefited recently from Jonny Greenwood's advocacy. Not that I think most of the voters in this poll are Radiohead stans.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:31 (seven years ago) link
Didn't take part, it would probably have killed me, but fascinating stuff.
― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:32 (seven years ago) link
Pop star advocacy actively turns me off this sstuff
― don't even see how this was a duck (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link