POLLERO!: ILM's Top 100 Notated Pieces of Music Since 1890

I don't care much for In C, but I don't think I can explain why. It seems historically important but not something I'm interested in hearing. I prefer other Terry Riley music, scattered across his career.

same

re favourite versions of in c, acid mothers temple \m/

(i'm not sure how faithful they're actually being to the score)

how is riley's kronos piece (Salome...)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FXQ68ZkWVw

this one, for those that weren't aware of it

(that's a great version, but should, I feel, come with a Damon Albarn warning klaxon)

I didn't feel qualified to take part, but I'm learning so much from this thread.

I didn't realise it was Albarn-related when I first came across it so it didn't affect my initial response

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I don't care much for In C, but I don't think I can explain why. It seems historically important but not something I'm interested in hearing. I prefer other Terry Riley music, scattered across his career.

Thirded, this seems like a thing.

Satie is def coming up... also Samuel Barber, Gorecki and Music for 18 musicians (top spot?)

I thought Barber would be lower... so maybe no Barber at all

No Barber, no Gorecki imo

in my anticipation of music for 18 musicians coming out top i gave it my first listen in quite a while last night. good tune tbf

yep. a taut little rocker.

Looks like a lot of the heavy-hitting operas (Elektra, Salome, Madame Butterfly, Tosca, La Boheme, Lulu, etc) might miss out - which makes Manon Lescaut placing interesting.

Ha, I mean, the 'Hitler thing' didn't hurt Sibelius.
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― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r)

why would it? sibelius had drunk himself into permanent artistic oblivion by the time hitler came to power. it's not like hitler was going to declare sibelius work "degenerate" the way stalin was always threatening to do to shostakovich.

no, quite the opposite, because nordic myths etc

but anyway that's not what i meant by invoking stalin. stravinsky and bartok had a level of creative freedom that shostakovich didn't. it's not surprising that shostakovich was more cagey about pushing boundaries when said boundary-pushing could very well have landed him in the gulag.

OK, that makes more sense. The (mostly trolling, half-facetious) point was htat Hitler not only didn't declare Sibelius' work 'degenerate' but he thoroughly celebrated it, awarded Sibelius the Goethe medal, Sibelius received regular money from Nazi Germany, etc. I don't know that too much blame can be assigned to a composer for not taking a stand about this, though.

*that

8 Igor Stravinsky - Firebird Points: 940 Votes: 7 #1 Votes: 0
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Trans_Am_Family.jpg

Just put on the Bernstein recording on vinyl.

I forget about this one sometimes.

Firebird was my #9 -- I first heard it after I'd already heard Rite, so it initially underwhelmed. But only initially; it's a real rollercoaster, beloved by all ages, turns rotten fruit edible again, makes babies smile before they have the muscle control to do it on their own.

And, of course, sticking with the vehicular theme:

7 Maurice Ravel - Boléro Points: 949 Votes: 8 #1 Votes: 0
https://images0.cardekho.com/images/car-images/520x216/Mahindra/Mahindra-Bolero/Java_Brown.jpg

Never knew about this truck. From India, it seems.

this is way too high imo but once again didn't vote, can't complain

I'm a little surprised it didn't make my ballot at all.

You can't not like Bolero, unless you're one of the unfortunate musicians who has to play it. I love the way it builds and builds, almost like post-rock decades before it was invented if that doesn't sound too stupid.

No, I once tried to compare it to GYBE in order to explain it to someone who didn't 'get it'.

Bolero is one of those things that had to happen. The cool thing about ravel's body of work is how he would conceive of some kind of mechanism, build it and perfect it, and then not really do that again in any other works.

I heard it again after hearing some other Ravel thingy posted in this poll. And man, Bolero is insanely good. Yeah, it 'had' to happen, but the idea is executed so well.

6 Henryk Gorecki - Symphony No. 3 'Symphony of Sorrowful Songs' Points: 970 Votes: 8 #1 Votes: 0
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OK, that makes more sense. The (mostly trolling, half-facetious) point was htat Hitler not only didn't declare Sibelius' work 'degenerate' but he thoroughly celebrated it, awarded Sibelius the Goethe medal, Sibelius received regular money from Nazi Germany, etc. I don't know that too much blame can be assigned to a composer for not taking a stand about this, though.

― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r)

a lot of people collaborated with the nazis. they're all dead now, and anyway i wasn't there at the time. i got better things to do than pass judgment on dead people, especially when there are so many living people available for me to pass judgment on.

Yeah, I agree, especially considering how limited his involvement.

was

My grandmother died last year and helped the resistance. Had a collaborator found out, she could have been executed. It's not THAT long ago, folks...

bit harsh not to tell her the war was over

Else Marie Pade died earlier this year and was involved in the resistance, let's sub out all the Sibelius and sub her in (if she has anything that qualifies as notated)

Slightly relieved I forgot to nominate any Canteloube.

Honestly, I was just trolling Sibelius.

https://wso.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Sibelius1.jpg

xpost I played Bolero when I was 18. I played the gong. Most of the part is counting 400 measures of rest. I now hate Bolero, even though yes, the melody is pretty catchy.

my school choir sang in Mahler's 8th and i think we missed an entrance cos of the counting

I'm not sure what I think of Gorecki 3. I sometimes feel like it is too long, although the version I have on iTunes isn't the famous Upshaw/London Sinfonietta one but a Polish recording.

I think I have that same Polish recording on CD, on Universal Classics.

Joanna Kozłowska is the soprano?

I feel like we have already discussed Gorecki's third so much, I was surprised it hadn't showed up already, lol. It's good! Perhaps not the eighth best composition in the last 125 years, but good.

It's the sixth. Proven by science!

Is this the point where I formally give up on Shostakovich and Bernard Herrmann placing, btw?

This is the one. It's Slovenian, not Polish.