Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

That's what I usually look to prev. unreleased Dylan legit & boots for: more songs, not more versions.

But I'll take different mixes, esp. by J.D., and jams too.

"Likewise I still need to hear the last box set. I am really in an old-man phase of waiting to buy this stuff (because if I stream or whatever I'll listen once and never really grapple with it)"

i don't feel like copyright-extension archival mega-sets are something i need to "grapple with". like, i listened to that complete basement tapes or whatever once, and they don't contain a lot of hidden depths not previously manifested in his released work.

that's true, but if you feel like listening to basement tapes for 6+ hours straight it comes in handy

I got a 'copy' of that complete cutting edge thing, the final disc was the only one that was a drag, the 'live bits and bobs' one, apart from the first chunk of Joan Baez tracks..

for those that need the full 36, Bull Moose has it for $108.97 shipped in the US. for me, the calculus has to be cost per disc I'll actually ever get around to listening to (though at that price...).

nice.

Haha... never change those EU copyright laws

Wait, this is unrelated, isn't it? I thought the EU copyright thing only affected unreleased music from 1963 or earlier, and that everything after benefits from the change in law that extended copyright from 50 to 70 years. That's why we haven't gotten any more Beatles or Beach Boys archive stuff from 1964 or beyond, isn't it?

well, dylan did one last year -- not sure what the deal is with the beatles/beach boys. i don't understand that stuff at all.

There was a change in the EU copyright laws (2014? )from expiring 50 years after release to 70 years after release. But there was a loophole (right?) that excluded any unreleased material, which meant anything 50 years old or older in 2014 - that is, 1964 and earlier - so the Beatles, Beach Boys and Dylan rushed out those copyright extension packages. Beatles did "The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963," Beach Boys did "Keep An Eye on Summer: The Beach Boys Sessions 1964" and "The Big Beat 1963," Dylan did "The 50th Anniversary Collection 1963" and "The 50th Anniversary Collection 1964." But ... that's been it, right? Was there a '65 Copyright Extension set? What did Dylan do last year? You mean "The Cutting Edge?" Not sure that was under the Copyright Extension umbrella (not that it matters), because that stuff was covered by the new laws.

Someone out there can clear this up, right? I thought he big three (BB, Dylan and Beatles) are all caught up in terms of copyright, until they go into public (EU) domain beginning in 20 years or so.

there was a 65 copyright extension set in addition to the cutting edge (it was made available as a download to people who bought the deluxe cutting edge)
http://www.searchingforagem.com/2010s/2015_50thAnniv.htm

Becoming The Beach Boys, going back to the beginning in '61 (continuing into '63), came out recently, so guess the copyright coast is clear: http://omnivorerecordings.com/music/becoming-the-beach-boys-the-complete-hite-dorinda-morgan-sessions/

Why has there been no Beatles 64 or 65 stuff then?

ringo said he would personally murder anyone who put that stuff out w/o his permission

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/sep/15/copyright-extension-cliffs-law-beatles

Don't know how that works in America, or what happens after Brexit

Xpost no idle threat since as we know from the morricone song, "whenever ringo laughed, ringo fired".

for those that need the full 36, Bull Moose has it for $108.97 shipped in the US. for me, the calculus has to be cost per disc I'll actually ever get around to listening to (though at that price...).

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:56 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe i haven't been paying attention to box set pricing lately but this seems like kind of a big deal? much cooler than spending 100 bucks on 3 discs + assorted ephemera, imo. i dunno, maybe i'm nuts but i'd totally listen to all of these. just might take me a while.

c.f. the 27-disc pink floyd "early years" box which is at least 500 bucks

yeah this is a comparatively bare bones set, with no extraneous items. which is great imo -- one of the ridiculous selling points of the $600 Cutting Edge deluxe set last year was a leopard skin spindle.

aaw come OOON now

I get that the copyright was extended from 50 to 70 years. So why was that Beatles/Dylan/Beach Boys stuff released, then? 70 years past 1963 is 2033. 50 years was 2013 (before the law changed). So why release 1965 Dylan stuff in 2015 if the law had been successfully changed to push its public domain move all the way to 2035? Isn't 1965, for any act, now covered under the extended copyright?

i honestly have no idea

i dunno, maybe i'm nuts but i'd totally listen to all of these. just might take me a while.

― brimstead, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 22:38 (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I suppose you're right. But I dunno, I'm also happy to have one definitive live '66 version of "Ballad of a thin man" to listen to when the itch appears

my experience with the genuine live 1966 set was that every little change in dylan's vocal delivery, or hudson's bonkers organ fills, or robertson's solos got to be pretty exciting. granted this is more than double that set, so we'll see how I do.

yeah i could listen to a whole lot of that band

live disc of another self portrait also so great

I don't disagree at all. I just don't know how I can fit something of this size into my life.

I'm not sure about those EU laws, but over at expectingrain.com they're calling it "the Live 1966 Copyright Extension Collection" and I really can't think of other good reasons for this timely change in approach to the bootleg series

we have a thread on this but I'm not sure it helps to clear anything up:

The copyright extension release thread (w/r/t EU copyright law)

I guess the point is that the extension from 50 to 70 years only applies to released material.

Photo of the new box's contents:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtifXS_W8AACaeD.jpg:large

that's a lotta dylan 66

was it common to tour Australia back then?

haha I love that he flew back to Melbourne in April for a single gig

?

He played Melbourne on April 19 and 20, among his other Australian dates. The box isn't chronological, though; the April 20 soundboard is disc 3, and the April 19 audience tape is disc 35.

yeah, i don't know how common it was to play australia then -- beatles and the stones played there around then, i think?

Pretty Things got banned from there in 65 or so. Tarfumes probably has the deets, but The Who had a disastrous tour there as well.

The Who and the Small Faces played there in early '68, but the Who hated it so much that they didn't go back until 2004.

I think Zeppelin only did one tour there, in '71-'72?

Louis Armstrong toured in '64, with Angus Young in attendance at one of the shows.

ha xp

On closer inspection, the Pretty Things were banned from New Zealand

When was the last time you visited Australia, have you been back since the tour of ‘65?

Dick Taylor: We never actually did visit Australia. We were in New Zealand. I’m not sure if we were scheduled to come to Australia or not but we got in a bit of trouble in New Zealand. I mean the shows went great in New Zealand [laughs], don’t get me wrong. We were apparently behaving outrageously and there were questions asked in parliament about us, and we were told never to darken their shores again. And consequently there never was an Australian tour, so this’ll be the first time we’ve trodden your shores.

From: http://fasterlouder.junkee.com/the-pretty-things-we-tried-every-sweetie-in-the-shop/830945

Townshend punched the first reporter he saw when getting off the plane, and Steve Marriott told a journalist to fuck off when asked about his pot bust, resulting in unrelenting bad press for the tour.

Just the trip down there was (probably still is) such a pain (Ronnie Lane said he saw three sunrises on the flight(s) down) that bands figure it's not worth it to make it a regular thing. Even in the Beatles Anthology, Ringo has a pained expression 30 years later talking about the "helluva long flight."

It is a gruelling flight. Australian cricketer David Boon used it to set a record

http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/david-boon-downs-52-cans-of-beer-on-a-single-flight-307274

Kind of relevant/funny (grabbed via the hoffman forums) -- a still from Antonioni's Blow Up
http://www.idyllopuspress.com/idyllopus/film/images/bu/burickytick.jpg

No Direction Home: Bob Dylan, the Deluxe 10th Anniversary Edition of the film will be released on October 28th, and will mark its first release on Blu-ray (standard DVD is also available). These 10th Anniversary Editions of the film all feature 2 1/2 hours of bonus and never-before-seen content, including extended scenes from the film and full-length interviews with Scorsese, Dave van Ronk and Liam Clancy. Both formats are also available in a Special Edition Deluxe Box that will include both Blu-ray and DVD versions of the film and bonus content, as well as an exclusively produced Bob Dylan magazine that features reproductions of historical articles about the artist, plus three high-quality lithographic photo prints of Dylan, all in a deluxe portfolio

BOX SET SPECIAL FEATURES:

Two-disc Blu-Ray edition & two-disc DVD edition in a deluxe portfolio
Three 8x10 lithographic photo prints
Special edition Bob Dylan magazine featuring historical articles and photos
BLU RAY & DVD FEATURES:

Unedited “Apothecary Scene” from the 1966 U.K. tour
Interview with director Martin Scorsese on the making of the film
Extended interviews from Liam Clancy and Dave Van Ronk
Original trailer for the DVD release
BOB DYLAN PERFORMANCES:

“Blowin’ in the Wind” – live on TV : March 1963
“Girl from the North Country” – from unaired Canadian TV special “Quest”: February 1964
“Man of Constant Sorrow” – live on TV : March 1964
“Mr. Tambourine Man” – Newport Folk Festival : July 26, 1964
“Love Minus Zero/No Limit” – London, England : May 1965
“Like a Rolling Stone” – Live in Newcastle, England : May 21, 1966
“One Too Many Mornings” – Live in Liverpool, England : May 1, 1966
OTHER FEATURES:

Unused promotional spot for “Positively 4th St.”
“I Can’t Leave Her Behind” – work in progress in hotel room Glasgow, May 19th, 1966

(that's the deluxe Deluxe; for diff editions---I might just get the cheapo Deluxe DVD---check his site)

Links on this page will let you compare contents of each edition: https://ndh10.com/

As Matos pointed out, the film came out 11 years ago in July so this is about 70 weeks late

Guess "11th Anniversary" doesn't have the same ring to it

https://www.discogs.com/Bob-Dylan-The-Bootleg-Series-Collection/release/7730624
^^impressive enough box

kinda wanna do a new bootleg series poll, either as vol 13 anticipation or after its release

listening to vol 5 Rolling Thunder Revue today - I don't really like it all that much, too heavy, hectic, rushed... the Biograph set does feature the ultimate live "Isis" though, and that's from same tour iirc

I'd rank vols 1-3, Live 1966, Tell Tale Signs as top releases

No Direction Home, Another Self Portrait and Complete Basement Tapes very good mid-tier (ASP and CBT great albums, NDH not a good album but some fantastic tracks featured)

Whitmark Demos and Rolling Thunder bottom, RT cuz I'm not much into the shouting style etc. and Whitmark Demos cuz I felt like I'd heard it all already

can't recall vol 6 too well, not sure what to make of vol 12

listening to vol 6 now I remember it is excellent, need to revisit proper but probably place it in top tier