hard to exclude funk and disco from the poll - but the results won't really be "ILX's ultimate soul records" I guess
that's for a different poll/discussion maybe, most soulful records of the 70s or smth
― niels, Sunday, 18 September 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
Bill Withers - Live at Carnegie HallDonny Hathway - LiveEarth, Wind & Fire - Gratitude
― Ari (whenuweremine), Sunday, 18 September 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
Bootsy's Rubber Band - Stretchin' Out in Rick James - Bustin' Out Of L Seven Sly Stone - High On You
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Sunday, 18 September 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
Bernie Worrell - All The Woo In The World Bootsy's Rubber Band - Bootsy Player of the Year Brass Construction - Brass Construction Brothers Johnson - Right On Time Meters - Fire On The Bayou Slave - Slave Slave - The Concept Slave - Just a Touch of Love
― the coyotes have taken over the town (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 18 September 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
^ awesome choices!!!
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 September 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
Hall &Oates - Abandoned Luncheonette
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Sunday, 18 September 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
This sounds like my type of poll, here's my nominations:
Nina Simone - Emergency Ward!Nina Simone - Black GoldAndy Bey - Experience and JudgmentA Taste of Honey - A Taste of HoneyPatti Austin - Havana CandyThe Jones Girls - The Jones GirlsCrown Heights Affair - Dream WorldLeon Thomas - Full CircleDee Dee Bridgewater - Just FamilyKimiko Kasai - Butterfly
― Tuomas, Sunday, 18 September 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
~~~Nominations updated~~~
I didn't include Elvis Presley's That's the Way It Is unless someone can make a good case about this album.
D.A.M: Right on Time was nominated before, so you get an extra slot.
Tuomas, three of your picks were already on the list, so you get three more.
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
James Brown - Revolution of the Mind
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 18 September 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
Nina Simone - Emergency Ward!Nina Simone - Black Gold
Just got into these recently; absolutely stunning stuff.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link
did you realise Humble Pie were on the list?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
Here is a collaborative Spotify playlist for everyone to add their nominated albums/subscribe
https://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/5R8i82XYP9T7f6HnpUsDv1or paste this in your search barspotify:user:pfunkboy:playlist:5R8i82XYP9T7f6HnpUsDv1and click on subscribe/follow
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
I made an online spreadsheet with all the nominations (never used Zoho before, let's see how that works out).
Nominations list
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link
Added James Brown, deleted Humble Pie.
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
anyone can add their nominations to the spotify playlist so get on it!
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
Tuomas, that Andy Bey album is gorgeous!
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
Okay, here's three more:
Ramp - Come into KnowledgeRoberta Flack & Donny Hathaway - Roberta Flack featuring Donny HathawayGeorge Duke - Don't Let Go
(xxxxpost)
― Tuomas, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link
It is indeed, it's my favourite foreplay music of all time.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link
lol @ Streisand being on the list
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
A bit too slow for actual fucking, but awesome for some sensual loving!
(xpost)
― Tuomas, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
xp - Do you mean this 1972 Flack/Hathaway album? AllMusic says the 'featuring' album was released in 1980.
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link
I meant the "Featuring" album... My copy of it says 1979, and so does Wikipedia. Don't know why Allmusic would say it's from 1980.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
Allmusic is increasingly unreliable and of questionable use.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link
johnny fever: Shirley Bassey is on it too (she's the UK megastar of Streisand stature on the list, is she known in the US?)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
Can I make a suggestion? For those worried about funk in the poll, it would be fairer if say only albums with vocals on it should be allowed? (Not Kool & The Gang style chanting of the early jazzy funk albums)
also here is Rate Your Music's funk of the 70s. I dont think the jazz-funk stuff like herbie hancock or miles davis should be allowed, but all of this is purely up to arch carrier of course!
http://tinyurl.com/RYM-Funk-70s
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
re: Bassey - is she known in the US?
Sure, though for most people here she's just known for Bond themes and that Propellers song from the 90s.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 18 September 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
xp - Let's not make it too complicated. I don't want the final voting thread to be something like 1970s SOUL/FUNK/DISCO ALBUMS BY BLACK ARTISTS WITH VOCALS POLL!!!
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
BTW, Shirley Bassey's cover of 'Light My Fire' from that Something album is pretty good. I'm leaving it on the list. Streisand has to go, though.
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
Last one for tonight...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcL8SvyKtE4
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 18 September 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link
I'm mostly going to sit and watch and learn I think - and try and work out how the hell to put a ballot together.
For the record that Andy Bey album is the nuts. And, tangentially, his cover of River Man is a thing to behold.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Sunday, 18 September 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link
Will think about this for a bit, this is all I have so far:
Caston and Majors - Caston and MajorsCarol Douglas - Midnight Love Affair
― ǂbait (seandalai), Sunday, 18 September 2016 23:47 (seven years ago) link
with so many nominees already it might be fun to give everyone 10 or 20 de-nominations as well, see if we can't cull the herd a bit
― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Monday, 19 September 2016 02:24 (seven years ago) link
If you spot another Streisand-level anomaly, just let me know and I'll delete it from the list. No need for de-nominations - I don't want to get into a fight with Cosmic Slop because one of you wanted to remove one of his beloved funk albums!
If you don't like something, just don't vote for it.
― ArchCarrier, Monday, 19 September 2016 05:59 (seven years ago) link
― ArchCarrier, Monday, 19 September 2016 09:36 (seven years ago) link
Can we have:
Them Changes by Buddy Miles.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Monday, 19 September 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link
dunno if I'll bother voting in this but imo fwiw the term/genre descriptor "soul" is 100% derived from marketing + commercial segregation (ie that wonderful American intersection of racism and commerce), so I have no problem with accepting the "music black artists made in the 70s" definition of "70s soul". There's no aesthetic criteria that you can credibly apply to delineate genre boundaries.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 September 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
Well, obv this is for another thread and another time and level of discourse, but aren't there aesthetic boundaries between soul and funk and funk and slick American black music in the '70s? Between Isaac Hayes and Allen Toussaint, and weren't musicians aware of the boundaries when they made the music to fit the expectations of their audience and their own aesthetic standards? I don't think it's all about marketing, myself, though of course that enters into it. Chic isn't even "black music" in some ways, actually, though the rhythm section attack and the vocal blend derives from certain black models. I'm just advocating keeping musicians' intentions in mind when you're talking about slippery genre classifications/taxonomies.
― Edd Hurt, Monday, 19 September 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link
aren't there aesthetic boundaries between soul and funk and funk and slick American black music in the '70s
they're pretty porous, is the problem - especially when we're talking albums that in many cases (Hayes and Toussaint being good examples) actually contain a range of aesthetic styles.
Which is not to say that your point about musicians' intentions and approaches is not a good one - but it would open the poll up to accepting, say, certain jazz artists' certain 70s records as being classified as soul (Eugene McDaniels? Les McCann?) and then people would bitch about that because those guys are JAZZ guys, that's the circuit and milieu they came out of.
So what matters more: the way the record sounds (taken in the context of other similar-sounding records)? Or the way the record was marketed, distributed, broadcast, etc.?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 September 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm really not advocating any change in the poll itself. The poll already has for example Minnie Riperton. Come to My Gardenisn't a "soul" record; it's a pop jazz record. She doesn't sing in a gospel or blues style and the songs and arrangements derive from jazz and sophisticated '60s pop, like Bacharach and David. But the same producer, Charles Stepney, also made records with the Dells, which have some of the same oddball pop characteristics, but they're identifiable as "soul" because the Dells sing in a gospel-derived manner. I see this as a good example of the intention Stepney had for each project. The question of "sounds like" vs. "marketed, distributed, broadcast" is a good one. A lot of great Southern soul never got outside the South, but that doesn't mean that someone who liked Les McCann and Terry Callier might not also like Jimmy Hughes or Eddie Floyd and would take them as variants on a spectrum of sounds that would register as "soulful." I'd go with "sounds like." You're right, the boundaries are porous but only become so...in the late '60s and into '70s; in the '60s "soul" meant down-home stuff, Aretha and Otis, and only later, with the Stylistics and the Chi-Lites, and the Four Tops' later stuff and the Temptations, does it show the influence of Sly Stone and psychedelic music and the so forth. Seems that way to me, at least. But in the case of McCann or Eugene McDaniels, it's kinda like talking about Wes Montgomery on A&M--he was consciously remaking himself in the image of another kind of music so he could be marketed more profitably....
― Edd Hurt, Monday, 19 September 2016 16:55 (seven years ago) link
YESSSSSSS!!!! excited about this!
― Heez, Monday, 19 September 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
Glad someone nomed Caston and Majors. imo Frank Caston was one of the finest producers of the period, mostly working with Kendricks. Here's my fave from the C&M album which contains one of my favorite jamerson basslines:
https://youtu.be/6o1q1QIp110
― Heez, Monday, 19 September 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
The Blackbyrds - The BlackbyrdsThe Blackbyrds - Flying StartThe Blackbyrds - City LifeCommodores - Machine GunCommodores - Caught in the ActCommodores - Movin' OnSlave - The Hardness of the WorldThe Meters - RejuvenationCameo - We All Know Who We AreCameo - Ugly Ego
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Monday, 19 September 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
~~~ Nominations updated ~~~
― ArchCarrier, Monday, 19 September 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link
If The Stylistics and Otis Redding belong to the same genre than there's place for Sly and Chic in there too imo.
― simmel, Monday, 19 September 2016 18:25 (seven years ago) link
excellent nominations by turrican
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 19 September 2016 18:25 (seven years ago) link
*then obviously
― simmel, Monday, 19 September 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
It's hard to find albums that haven't been nominated and someone might conceivably vote for! Lou Bond, Margie Joseph, Undisputed Truth,...they're all there!
― ǂbait (seandalai), Monday, 19 September 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
I got one:
The Supremes - High Energy
Can we do a tracks poll too at some point? I know we did disco a while back but...
― ǂbait (seandalai), Monday, 19 September 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link
Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees Van Morrison - MoondanceDavid Bowie - Station to Station
7/10
Some Delaney & Bonnie albums are probably worth discussing as well. Station to Station is pushing it but Boz and Van are legit imo.
― simmel, Monday, 19 September 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link