ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

I think we made an exception for tracks poll as a compromise

Just take three 60s lists from magazines (Rolling Stone, Mojo, etc) and make whatever's in their top 100/200 results ineligible. That's a good way to exclude "canonical" albums without excluding artists entirely.

Wouldnt work for these type of polls. It's not meant to be just another 60 poll, its a certain kind of sound, a harder edged poll or full on experimental or soul/funk so it would be daft to exclude 'stand' or 'trout mask replica'

im thinking that under 'psych' we could allow that one stones album for instance and clearly forever changes has to be allowed.

nothings gonna happen for 6 months anyway so plenty of time to ponder it but all suggestions welcome

was it you JF who ran a decade poll that eliminated anything that had been in the previous poll? That worked but i feel its a different spirit of poll that I have in mind for this.

I think we would have to decide on 'genres' that are allowed first.

Also just ban the beatles, beach boys, rolling stones, dylan, van morrison just because.

love, kinks etc getting in the canon is actually fairly recent so i've no probs including either of those as early kinks = hard rockin and love = psych or folk rock.
Not banning VU or Beefheart as clearly they are very much in the spirit of the poll.

so yes when it comes down to it it will be completely arbitrary and down to mine and stirmonsters whims :)

i suppose their satanic majesties request could be allowed but sgt peppers can get to fuck!

im coming around to the idea of just banning rock albums that are both in mojo and rolling stone top 20s plus no beatles, beach boys, dylan at all

as someone said theres other VU or Love albums that ppl can vote for.

mojo and rolling stone dont seem to have any best albums of the 60s polls. Probably because most of the albums in their all-time polls come from the 60s anyway?

just ban all of these?

MOJO READERS: THE 100 GREATEST ALBUMS EVER MADE
January 1996 Edition

1. The Beatles - Revolver
2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
3. The Beatles - Abbey Road
4. The Beatles - The Beatles
5. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
6. The Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
7. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
8. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street
9. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde
10. Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks
11. Love - Forever Changes
12. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
13. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground And Nico
14. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
17. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
18. The Doors - The Doors Joni Mitchell - Blue
19. The Beatles - Rubber Soul

and anything else by the beatles?

I think Johnny Fever has the right idea, to tally up the records that usually make these lists and eliminate them completely. You don't have to eliminate entire band's discographies. Even The Beatles have Beatles For Sale.

its not meant to be a poll with each bands 2nd best records instead if their best.

the poll has to be a continuation of the spirit of the 70s and 80s versions of the poll.

Feels ridiculous to ban trout mask replica or velvet underground & nico in a poll that celebrates arty music

im sure stirmonster & I will work something out

If you're going to get rid of The Beatles or Pet Sounds or Forever Changes, you'd have to do the same with The Velvet Underground & Nico and Trout Mask Replica. Both of those are long-time staples of '60s lists!

Having just spoken to him he's up for being quite militant and ruthless with banning Beatles, Stones, Dylan.

and also banning the albums on that list above as it still allows votes for other great albums by Love, VU and Captain Beefheart.

We wont be banning any jazz acts for instance. Just the big rock albums and a few dominant bands.

so yeah those 3 will be gone, turrican

so nothing by The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Beach Boys & Bob Dylan.
and none of these albums

Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
Love - Forever Changes
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground And Nico
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica

and these?

Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
The Doors - The Doors

I like every album we're not allowing btw so its not bias like it is when I try to ban 'Rush' :D

Oh yeah nothing by The Who I guess

what about just disqualifying all Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame recipients?

No way will The Zombies be banned though, that's obscure enough to stay

haha isnt everyone in the HOF by now?

Im not sure stirmonster is THAT militant

heh.. just a thought. you'd still have plenty of great weirdos like Monks/13th floor elevators/red krayola etc.

I'd like to think everyone would vote for those anyway within the spirit of the poll.

I think the best place to start is by deciding on which genres to allow in keeping with previous polls (AKA 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll!) before eliminating individual acts within that.

Anything 'heavy' , 'punky' 'noisy' 'weird' 'Funk/soul', 'jazz', 'experimental' 'psychedelic' , 'prog'

Not trying to naysay but I think your 70s poll was p much perfect and any new decade polls will only serve to tarnish your legacy as a poster

lol 'legacy'

btw there would be a tracks poll so we wouldnt be so militant in that. Plus a tracks poll should be great for having lots of garage rock in it!

Looking forward to the poll. How are you going to handle Brill Building/girl group/Atlantic soul/Nuggets that most people know from comps and greatest hit collections that came out after the 60s?

fuck knows, lol. We can worry about that in 6 months when the poll happens I guess.

Anything soul or jazz will count. Garage rock will definitely count.

Most of the girl groups were more singles based right? That would make for an awesome tracks poll for sure.

May even try persuade stirmonster to not veto anything for the tracks poll and just let everything in.

I'm guessing there are hundreds of great 60s R&B albums, I don't know what they are, though, the received wisdom re: albums being only good after Marvin/Stevie "rebelled" against their labels is pretty stupid sounding, imo.

labels

meters, bar-kays, booket t & the m's for starters

hot buttered soul was the 60s, sly and the family stone - stand, otis redding

Nerry Gordy of Motown wasnt big on albums though, its true

I'm thinking more early 60a, it's whole undiscovered territory for me personally. I just don't buy the whole "albums sucked until the Beatles put some thought in them" crap.

And damn, I know there must be tons of amazing blues full lengths from the 1960s made by old ass dudes..

Hot Buttered Soul is so great. I hope Isaac Hayes got some sort of congressional/presidential medal before he died

Jazz albums were fantastic since the 50s so its bullshit about albums sucked until Rubber Soul as put about by some people

seems like a decent place to start

http://tinyurl.com/60s-Soul-albums-RYM

I suppose I'm really thinking about just "pop" music.. Jazz and classical have always ruled and will always rule inna long form style. Beatles albums before rubber soul still get massive plaudits whereas Motown/r&b of the same time get the whole "singles plus filler" rep.

pop critics are just as snobby as rock critics when you get down to it.

how many times have you been asked what is your fave bands/album/drummer/etc and you get the reply "oh but that's jazz" as if it shouldnt count

Should these be barred from nominations?
They never win polls but are always in top 20s

Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
The Doors - The Doors

they are wonderful albums

they are, but so are the others people want excluded as they are always in the top 20s

had a suggestion to ban the top 20 or 30 from here
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/Current/1960-69a.htm

feel it would be harsh to ban king crimson as thats their only 60s album plus they were in 70s poll.

I think maybe prevent the top 20 or 30 from being nominated except for those who were in the 70s poll + no ban on jazz/soul or stooges/mc5 ?

Ive pretty much decided on that btw

sorry for slow response. yes, totally up for this and am going to mull over and consult with cosmic slop on how best to do this without pissing off absolutely everyone who might participate.

don't ban anything imo, just celebrate when like sgt pepper ends up at 89 or something

if you dont ban anything you piss off johnny fever and people who moan about 60s lists all being the same.

If you ban the beatles etc you piss off those fans of those

we need to find a way to piss them all off equally!

For me, if the poll covers psychedelia then Revolver and Sgt. Pepper should definitely be allowed (and Satanic Majesties for the Stones). If it's an anti-canon poll then fair enough but you'd have to exclude a lot of other stuff (definitely the Velvets and Trout Mask Replica).