See, I don't think I'd invested ANYTHING AT ALL in BoC's mythology or mystery, and thus couldn't give a shit that they were brothers who wanted to make music. This album, song for song, just contains the music they've made that moves me most.
― Scik Mouthy, Friday, 27 June 2008 08:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Music has the right is still my favourite by a long shot but then again I've yet to hear the Campfire... Geogaddi never grabbed me although the weird middle eastern vibe on 'alpha & omega' is awesome. Twoism was incredibly overrated especially after all the fuss that greeted its re-release.
― sam500, Friday, 27 June 2008 08:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Fair enough, you don't have to invest in all that stuff. For me it was something that set them aside from other bands making a similar noise - backwards samples of Waco prophets, references to the fibonacci sequence etc.
I admit maybe it was time to jack a lot of that stuff in before it became clichéd. But all the same it doesn't stop Dayvan Cowboy sounding like Mondeo chill out Buddha Bar nonsense to me. I really wanted the follow up to Geogaddi to continue further into the bad-trip psychedelic nightmare it hinted at.
I had this vision of BOC's trajectory whereby Music Has The Right was the fluffy playful album with an innocuous surface but a slightly uncomfortable undertone (the closing warning seemed to hint that there was something more deep seated than this ambient loveliness). In a Beautiful Place and Geogaddi follow with a more confirmed feeling of paranoia (Energy Warning, Beware The Friendly Stranger etc). I was really expecting them to come out with a hysterical dark album, as would have been a logical conclusion to the cycle, but instead it's just lazy guitars and shimmery synths. It doesn't do anything for me other than make me think of adverts for Dulux paint and Herbal Essences bubblebath.
I guess that's just me and what I expect I suppose. Note I was a HUGE fan of this band and invested a lot of time in them at the beginning of the decade and so to be given an album of "just nice tunes" is a bit of a downer for me.
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 08:34 (sixteen years ago) link
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i pretty much agree with ya, i've always thought TCH just lacks depth, and it's never held my interest.
― ledge, Friday, 27 June 2008 08:39 (sixteen years ago) link
That's all fair enough, Grozart, and I can see that had I been that emotionally invested in them then TCH would probably be a big disappointment to me too.
― Scik Mouthy, Friday, 27 June 2008 08:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I can relate to what Grozart is saying but the last few times I played this, on late sunny afternoons, it totally fit the mood. Different records for differnt times, I guess.
― baaderonixx, Friday, 27 June 2008 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link
i think i may need to give it one last try.
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:08 (sixteen years ago) link
take it on its own terms, y'know?
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Though I wasn't in love with it at the time, this has become the album that I turn to when I want to listen to BoC these days. MHTRTC and Geogaddi are still great, but the former sometimes sounds a little chintzy and the latter has never been served well by all those interludes.
― jaymc, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:24 (sixteen years ago) link
the interludes are what make it BOC dude!
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link
haha dog latin is making me consider bothering with this. was never a huge BoC guy but maybe if they made nicer music i'd like 'em more.
― banriquit, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Odd this should kick off on the morning I decide to listen to the album again for the first time in months, if not years.
― Rob M v2, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link
"Dayvan Cowboy" is Mondeo chill out bar Buddha nonsense? I shake my head at you. Sometimes, keeping it (fairly) simple is the way to go. Especially when you can get such uniquely blissful sounds out of your instruments. Sonically and structurally, this album and Moon Safari are miles apart.
― Just got offed, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:47 (sixteen years ago) link
louis, what do you think of their other albums just out of interest?
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 09:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I really like Music Has The Right To Children although I'm rarely tempted to listen to it ahead of TCH. Geogaddi I have but I don't really ever stick it on. Maybe I should rectify this! My brother has every single BoC release, obscure or otherwise, just in case I need to hear some of the non-album stuff. TCH is just so much...meatier, so completely at one with its own blissed-out vibe. It's hard to explain but the addition of guitar-sounds probably appeals to some sort of electro-friendly rockist in me. :D
― Just got offed, Friday, 27 June 2008 10:02 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i think the guitar factor puts me off as well really. don't know why, it just seems like an unnecessary gimmick to appeal to Q magazine critics. gone are the analog synths and gnomic samples, here's some lush strings and slow picked guitar.
I think Geogaddi and In A Beautiful Place Out In The Country are my favourite releases by BOC. I've always enjoyed their eviler undertones as I said. MHTRTC is great too but I may have over-listened to it. Geogaddi is claustrophobic and messy in many places but I think it's also their most detailed and interesting.
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Probably, Geogaddi is the one I admire most but tbh I haven't played in years. 'Beautiful Place' is the one I never tire of.
― baaderonixx, Friday, 27 June 2008 10:16 (sixteen years ago) link
beautiful place is amazing. i like it because all the tracks are really really simplistic - I was thrown by it at first when I first heard Kid For Today as it's really long and repetitive compared to stuff on MHTRTC, but as an EP it's so bleak and pretty, like a forlorn winter's day after snow.
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 10:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Note to self: put BoC on yr iPod
― HI DERE, Friday, 27 June 2008 10:46 (sixteen years ago) link
dan what sort of a time does your work start?!
― Just got offed, Friday, 27 June 2008 10:47 (sixteen years ago) link
This week I'm pretty much on London time, so... 4:30? 5:00?
― HI DERE, Friday, 27 June 2008 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link
(Of course by "London time" I mean "come in before the sun rises and leave after the sun has set"; yesterday was a 17 hour day so I'm in the mood for BoC's creepy pastoralisms.)
:(
did you become the big boss in the end then?
and yeah BoC would be my prescription too
― Just got offed, Friday, 27 June 2008 11:25 (sixteen years ago) link
more like the miniboss
― HI DERE, Friday, 27 June 2008 11:45 (sixteen years ago) link
grozart OTM, summing up my exact hesitancy about CH. there's this kind of uneasiness/weirdness to geogaddi that was so enthralling to me, and really sucked me in. CH is nice enough but it was a complete disappointment to me when it came out.
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 27 June 2008 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
'84 Pontiac Dream is really really good. Not enough props go to that track.
― the next grozart, Friday, 27 June 2008 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
omg I had forgotten how much I LOVELOVELOVE Muisc Has A Right To Children
"Telephasic Workshop" is so fucking nice right now
― HI DERE, Saturday, 28 June 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I just downloaded this... beautiful.. once again BOC prove to be masters of radiant divine joy... breathtaking... simply breathtaing... a religious experience.... fuck cutty and all the other techno haters... BOC are gods!
-andrew
― andrew b, Thursday, September 8, 2005 2:27 PM
― luol deng (am0n), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link
a 100% quote of a four year old posting including the spelling mistakes. i am flabbergasted. don't you have an opinion of your own, am0n?
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 30 November 2009 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
andrew b is my old login
― luol deng (am0n), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Anybody ever figure out what that track was that had the sample "I was kind of on my own" in one of the fake sets with all the Freescha tunes?
never did ID this track - took me a while to realise it also samples the line "this is the promise of the tree of life" from the Star Wars holiday special.
― mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link
andrew b was ethan
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
all right, now everything is crystal clear.
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 30 November 2009 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
what have you contributed besides coming at my main man am0n sideways
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
just read the thread carefully, cutty & you will see...
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 30 November 2009 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
it's still great but slightly yes than about a month ago. fading slowly away into the silence/past. i wonder if that has to do with the music ageing process they apply.― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:40 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
please elaborate on the music "ageing process"
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
they make electronic music sound brittle & old by applying some special techniques. in the beginning they used taping, then analog synths. iirc they copy samples so many times that the end result has got this warm, nostalgic, hissing sound. something like that.
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 30 November 2009 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
not buying these special techniques
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, 30 November 2009 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
you know what my ipod shuffled to a minute ago? a remix of alex c of music has the right to children. actually it is more of an r&b cover. sweet.
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 30 November 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
SWEET BRO
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, 30 November 2009 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
dudes this album about campfire headphase is pretty nicei like it
― Shackleton Crater (jdchurchill), Monday, 30 November 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, November 30, 2009 4:21 PM
lol it was?
― luol deng (am0n), Monday, 30 November 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
yes he confessed years later
― la monte jung (cutty), Monday, 30 November 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
on his banbed
― T.M.I. Friday's (s1ocki), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Still *such* a great album - Satellite Anthem Icarus just filled me with such delight that I felt compelled to revive.
Much news on the new one other than the title?
― Bill A, Monday, 28 December 2009 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link
This video is incredible. Watch it in HD if you can. The song is from the Japanese version of the lp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKSM-jyQh3o
― van smack, Sunday, 21 March 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link
!!!
― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Sunday, 21 March 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link
nice! thanks
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 21 March 2010 11:26 (fourteen years ago) link