probably true, but not super relevant imo. yes, those 2016 mixes of obscured by clouds will likely remain under copyright until after we're all dead. but if the 1972 release falls into the public domain, how much does that matter? are people really going to pay for the 2016 mix at a premium when the 1972 version is readily available to them for a pittance?
the issue with public domain, and probably one of the major reasons legislators fear it, is that the only practical way to make a profit with it is to maintain a monopoly on its means of production (which is where shkreli becomes relevant). maintaining copyright on unique copyrighted variants of public domain works has value for under two circumstances: first, when this prevents direct copies of your releases (which has a certain utility, though usually not a tremendous amount unless the copyright holder can somehow make public domain editions of the work unobtainable), and second, when those unique variants are highly desirable in ways the public domain versions are not.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Monday, 1 August 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link
pink floyd rules
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 1 August 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link
Other thing that people have said relevant to this is that for something to be practically in public domain there has to be an available version of the recording to be traded. I think it may have all been hypothetical but thinking about unreleased an unavailable tracks being hidden away in vaults wherever and only being released as whatever year's mix which would therefore mean that the track in question while not being protected per se because it hadn't been officially released would remain unattainable for anybody to release as public domain.
Not sure if that would be anything other than hypothetical though. Though it does appear that several tracks in this box are not otherwise in circulation. So that's 50 years nearly.
& the idea that one could prevent a track from leaking once in any way available also seems to be largely hypothetical doesn't it.Not sure how successful anybody's been in actually blocking the circulation of tracks while in copyright anyway.
But I guess it stops somebody releasing a sub par version commercially. But if it was sub par anyway , would anybody be buying it?
― Stevolende, Monday, 1 August 2016 18:10 (eight years ago) link
trusting vaults to be non-porous is a foolish assumption, particularly when the vaults in question aren't controlled by the band to begin with.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Monday, 1 August 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
Thing is, like that double single of 1965 Pink Floyd, limited edition, high price.
So, either pay £200 on ebay (record company only got the original purchase price out of that deal), or someone shares an upload recording which gets effectively bootleg distribution.
I guess that's against a legitimate public domain release, like those Beatles' "Love Me Do" 'collectors' editions (heart shaped, pic-disc, etc)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link
listening to this right now. man, pink floyd really does rule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijy4GCcBgVw
― tylerw, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 14:19 (eight years ago) link
Is there a commercially available dvd of promo films? I can't believe the Gerald Scarfe "Welcome to the Machine" has been removed from YouTube
― Iago Galdston, Monday, 8 August 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link
there are dvds with the "immersion editions". pink floyd are pretty brutal about taking their stuff off streaming sites.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Monday, 8 August 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
I saw the "Syd's first trip" DVD got withdrawn as well.
― Mark G, Monday, 8 August 2016 22:43 (eight years ago) link
OK, thanks, Rushomancy, Mark
― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 00:56 (eight years ago) link
Didn't get thrown a rope out of the gig economy. Feh. Listening to Manchester 1974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXZGpvqUmNQ
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 26 August 2016 08:06 (eight years ago) link
http://mlb.com/images/9/7/2/197731972/082516_milb_goat_field_med_srg4a3v8.gif
wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the outfield
― mookieproof, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:52 (eight years ago) link
http://s5.favim.com/orig/53/pink-floyd-animals-elephants-love-Favim.com-487973.jpg
― tylerw, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:57 (eight years ago) link
...rules?
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 26 August 2016 15:06 (eight years ago) link
getting pretty close to not ruling there
― tylerw, Friday, 26 August 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link
Not pigs on the wing then?
― Mark G, Friday, 26 August 2016 15:19 (eight years ago) link
that picture rules imo
― niels, Friday, 26 August 2016 16:04 (eight years ago) link
this video definitely ruleshttps://www.facebook.com/pinkfloyd/videos/10153823948907308/
― tylerw, Friday, 26 August 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
hehe, "psychedelic is a silly term"
― niels, Friday, 26 August 2016 23:15 (eight years ago) link
The Copenhagen set has a real bite that I haven't heard elsewhere. So looking forward to hearing the Stockholm remaster.Do wonder what the individual section sets are going to cost. Will definitely want the first couple.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 27 August 2016 10:20 (eight years ago) link
Roger Waters announced as part of this year's Bridge School Benefit
:D
Secretly kinda wish it was Dave instead of Rog but it's still gonna be cool to see him in that setting
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
why would you rather see Gilmour live than Waters
seriously that is crazy
― heaven parker (anagram), Saturday, 27 August 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link
yeah, you'll miss out on all that great Waters guitar playing
― Ben Wankolinc (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 27 August 2016 20:44 (eight years ago) link
Gilmour has a beautiful voice and a majestic guitar style
Waters is a creep who should've just lurked in the background.
― brimstead, Saturday, 27 August 2016 23:04 (eight years ago) link
That's a joke post right? Everything about live Floyd is better w gilmour
― niels, Saturday, 27 August 2016 23:04 (eight years ago) link
Xps
Maybe it's just me but I'd rather hear Floyd songs sung by the person who wrote them. All the nice guitar playing and singing can't disguise the fact that Gilmour is and always has been a mediocre songwriter with nary a creative idea in his head
I saw Waters' Wall show a few years ago and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. It wouldn't have been up to much if he had "just lurked in the background"
― heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 28 August 2016 06:41 (eight years ago) link
whatever
― brimstead, Sunday, 28 August 2016 06:48 (eight years ago) link
yeah it would be pretty weird if a headliner just "lurked in the background" that's exactly what i meant, what the fuck
― brimstead, Sunday, 28 August 2016 06:50 (eight years ago) link
he's a creep with a crappy voice and he writes horrible lyrics
cue one of buzza's socks to tell me i'm shit
― brimstead, Sunday, 28 August 2016 06:51 (eight years ago) link
My son was in the kids choir in the Wall show and met Waters backstage, said he was a lovely man. He comes across very well in that Wall concert movie/doc thing from a couple of years ago as well. As someone wrote upthread or in some other thread somewhere, he's obviously been through therapy and has worked out a lot of his issues. Besides which he wrote the lyrics to every Floyd song since 1968, that's an awful lot of lyrics to dismiss as "crappy"
― heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:11 (eight years ago) link
*"horrible"
― heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:12 (eight years ago) link
music - it's all about the lyrics
― Ben Lincowank (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:15 (eight years ago) link
he has written an awful lot of horrible lyrics, yes
― jez coorbes (wins), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:17 (eight years ago) link
And an awful lot of great ones as well.
Obviously the music is important as well and I'd be the first to admit that a lot of what I love about Floyd comes from Gilmour's voice and guitar, but as far as what makes Floyd great overall the scales are heavily tipped in Waters' favour
― heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:21 (eight years ago) link
i like a lot of Floyd, like a lot of Waters' contributions, don't give a shit about any sense of that band having an auteur and think most of their lyrics are disposable
but this whole spat started with the assertion that preferring to watch a concert featuring a beautiful guitarist rather than a dude who wrote some lyrics would be "seriously crazy"
― Ben Lincowank (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:23 (eight years ago) link
like i'm not "lyrics never matter" but if you privilege their deep meaningfulness over how music sounds then go and read a book or something
― Ben Lincowank (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:24 (eight years ago) link
Waters was absolutely Floyd's auteur, it is well documented that none of the others contributed squat post DSotM
The point I was making is that it's better to watch lyrics sung by the dude who wrote them rather than the bloke who didn't
― heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:25 (eight years ago) link
anyway I think I'll take your advice and go read a book
― heaven parker (anagram), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:27 (eight years ago) link
maybe think about any exceptions in the history of music to "i'd rather listen to the lyricist sing"
― Ben Lincowank (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:28 (eight years ago) link
No-one cares about Cole Porters singing voice.
― calzino, Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:32 (eight years ago) link
noone alive has heard Lorenzo da Ponte's
― Ben Lincowank (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 August 2016 10:36 (eight years ago) link
while i get all the waters hate here, particularly when he keeps saying stupid shit in public, i also think it's kind of ridiculous. ooooh, he's not really a very good musician or singer! boy that's a stinging indictment when it comes to rock music.
gilmour has a nice guitar tone and all but you go to see him in concert and he'll play the song he wrote based on parisian mass transit jingles. he's also more likely to dig up something like "childhood's end", mind, so that's in his favor, but he's pleasant to the point of being dull.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Sunday, 28 August 2016 11:53 (eight years ago) link
The only one I'd pay to see these days is Nick.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 28 August 2016 12:32 (eight years ago) link
Wrt post dsotm contributions it's well documented on the fun Floyd thread that gilmour contributed v good music and dreadful lyrics to comfortably numb
― niels, Sunday, 28 August 2016 13:30 (eight years ago) link
Oh sry, I guess this isthefun thread
PINK FLOYD RULES
― niels, Sunday, 28 August 2016 13:31 (eight years ago) link
Comfortably Numb 's lyrics are fine, there are some weird opinions on this board
― Ben Lincowank (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 28 August 2016 14:12 (eight years ago) link
the dreadful lyrics (you mean "the doctor", right?) were waters. his second draft was better.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Sunday, 28 August 2016 14:30 (eight years ago) link
lol jeez what did i start! sorry guys. PINK FLOYD RULES.
i have seen Rog live before & it was pretty ace. i don't have that all that much beef with him tbh. besides, this'll be my cheapest Rog ticket by far so who's complaining :D
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 28 August 2016 14:51 (eight years ago) link
http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/000/214/664/866_001.jpg
I think it's time to get this thread back in shape by reminding ourselves that Pink Floyd can fly and therefore RULES
― droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 28 August 2016 15:35 (eight years ago) link