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http://www.discogs.com/release/19657

Display Name, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link


haha yeah totally, it reminds me of the out-run soundtrack, something about that midi guitar line

-- r1o natsume, Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:43 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Strangely I was reading an interview with a Sega music guy before I listened to this and it just seemed right.

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 20 March 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link

R&S are reissuing Model 500's Classics along with a few other albums on CD (Aphex Twin's SAW1, Ken Ishii's Jelly Tones). Beatport are advertising Deep Space as part of the series, but I don't know if that's coming out physically or if it's download-only.

Telephone thing, Thursday, 20 March 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

TAKING SIDES
TAKING SIDES
TAKING SIDES

INFINITI

vs

MODEL 500

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link

M500

Display Name, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 05:21 (sixteen years ago) link

game one vs cosmic courier

elan, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 06:44 (sixteen years ago) link

i might vote for infiniti ... do we need track by track breakdown?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 10:09 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Everyone (except Vahid Mk I) OTM about Deep Space - esp. Mike when he says "I think he managed to nail the "Detroit techno as future jazz" tag on several cuts with this album."

Also I agree with this:

"Now the dust has settled on the first wave of that Detroit techno thing, it's his music that shines the most."

Tim F, Monday, 30 June 2008 09:52 (sixteen years ago) link

it took a

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:11 (sixteen years ago) link

enigmatic!

Tim F, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:13 (sixteen years ago) link

oops

it took a while for "deep space" to click with me but it finally did.

still, i really do still think that his "infiniti" work is better than his "model 500" work. there are great model 500 tracks like "starlight" and "i wanna be there" but "game one" lords over them all and i think the infiniti albums are really amazing when taken as whole works, much more so than "mind and body" and with an edge over "deep space".

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:15 (sixteen years ago) link

i should proofread my posts for redundancy

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Vahid you didn't respond to my Quentin Harris questions on the Dennis Ferrer thread :-(

Tim F, Monday, 30 June 2008 10:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I agree with vahid re Infiniti>Model 500, to the extent that when i saw M500 live a few weeks back the enjoyment was stifled by this colossal urge to want to hear 'game one', 'i-94', 'skyway' and 'rebound' alongside 'cosmic cars' etc.

blueski, Monday, 30 June 2008 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Track down the remix of Annette's Dream 17 and you might change your mind about Derrick. Juan and Derrick are about equal in the 80's. The 90's are a different story...

Display Name, Monday, 30 June 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

anyone going to see him tonight?

the table is the table, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link

torn knee ligament here :(

blunt, Friday, 1 August 2008 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link

how was juan atkins last night ?

oscar, Saturday, 2 August 2008 22:08 (sixteen years ago) link

pretty good-- he played a lot more proto-house and house than i expected, but also did some major detroit damage too. well worth it!

the table is the table, Sunday, 3 August 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

he was great! i missed the beginning of his set, but he finished with some disco classics; karen young "hot shot," young & company "i like what youre doing to me," etc. there's a review on this blog: http://bananaspam.blogspot.com/2008/08/juan-atkins-at-bodyheat-part-two.html

one time, Sunday, 3 August 2008 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

What about remixes? I have this vague recollection of Dan Sicko talking about something that JA remixed on a small Detroit label around a decade ago that was supposed to be amazing.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Friday, 5 December 2008 01:36 (fifteen years ago) link

TAKING SIDES

INFINITI

vs

MODEL 500

I actually like Infiniti and cybotron stuff better than M500 overall

X-101, Friday, 5 December 2008 09:52 (fifteen years ago) link

don't force me to choose! it will hurt. how about a top 5 tracks instead?
1. Cybotron "Enter"
2. Model 500 "Starlight"
3. Model 500 "Night Drive"
4. Infiniti "Game One'
5. Model 600 "Update"

yeah it is a canonical list but the canon is a canon for a reason. also i haven't heard skynet net, i just have the single.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Friday, 5 December 2008 10:01 (fifteen years ago) link

To understand the marvel that is Deep Space, you need to suck deep on the Devil's weed.

moley, Friday, 5 December 2008 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

"starlight" remixes on echospace ... gilding the lily, or what?

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Mike Huckaby's S Y N T H Mix

^^ ps everyone is creaming themselves whenever they see this after a track name but imo this new huckaby direction is not that great

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

some of that stuff just sounds like it's sufficiently sophisticated "intelligent" dub techno/house that would be shopping mall music except that it's too depressing.

Coal Scuttle Now Meaningless, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link

your comment is trite and lazy

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link

perhaps you think so. just because something is ultra well produced and lush and coming from a very respected stable/part of the world does not make entertaining, that's my point. there's very little to get excited about and a lot of it is completely useless music for djing with. where is the rhythm?

what was your reason for dislike?

Coal Scuttle Now Meaningless, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link

"shopping mall music" is a lazy thing to say. but "completely useless for dj'ing" is, i guess, at least arguable

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link

where is the rhythm vahid?

Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link

those would all make good UR track titles

Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

haha

moley, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link

i like "guard against daydreaming"

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 07:08 (fifteen years ago) link

i listened to this again tonight and i think that compared to a lot of dub techno this set of remixes is actually *unusually* rhythmic, especially compared to the other recent batch of echospace releases

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 07:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Mike Huckaby's S Y N T H Mix

^^ ps everyone is creaming themselves whenever they see this after a track name but imo this new huckaby direction is not that great

The "Starlight" remix was good, if completely by-the-numbers. So yeah, I agree with you.

"Now the dust has settled on the first wave of that Detroit techno thing, it's his music that shines the most."

Ten years ago, I would have not accepted any answer other than "Derrick May", but now, I'm convinced that the most valuable treasure trove lies in Kevin Saunderson's work. Atkins' complaints in the 1994 Wired interview about commercial radio not accepting techno are a bit baffling, considering that KS had supplied the blueprint for radio-friendly techno years earlier.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link

"by the numbers" is exactly what i thought

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Ten years ago, I would have not accepted any answer other than "Derrick May", but now, I'm convinced that the most valuable treasure trove lies in Kevin Saunderson's work. Atkins' complaints in the 1994 Wired interview about commercial radio not accepting techno are a bit baffling, considering that KS had supplied the blueprint for radio-friendly techno years earlier.

thing is they really do set their own stalls out so well, each one covering an area (not in terms of what their tracks do but in how they sound doing it) the other two tend don't so much (with some exceptions no doubt e.g. when i heard Atkins 'Other Side Of Life' i wished Inner City had sounded a bit more like that)

i don't know if Atkins had in mind the kind of music Saunderson hit with when he said that but yeah if he meant 'why can't we hear 'Game One' or 'Star Dancer' during drive time?' then altho i agree with him that would be 'unrealistic'

Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link

"by the numbers" very meaningful. good to see the trite criticisms shot down convincingly with that ray of meaning.

Local Garda, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link

RS: 12 | Guns n' Roses: Chinese Democracy

They had this ranking all gift-wrapped and ready to go by September, didn't they?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

whoa, wrong thread, sorry!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

"by the numbers" is at least saying something about the music in relation to other musics, whereas "shopping mall music" just tells us about the listener's social prejudices

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link

in relation to the listener's opinion of other musics you mean?

a lot of shopping malls play a sort of house music that you don't hear in clubs too much, which is heavy on melody, eg all those "bargrooves" compilations. I agree with the above poster that dub house/techno in 2008 (esp the Detroit guys like Scott/Huckaby etc) is veering towards this territory, albeit with a great deal more respect given. it's some seriously gloopy shit which is great to listen to but can't imagine dancing to it apart from perhaps way afterhours.

As to whether calling something shopping mall music denotes prejudice, think you're jumping the gun there.

Local Garda, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link

think you're grasping at straws there

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

great counter argument, ffs, for someone who rebukes so freely you also rebuke pretty lazily.

Local Garda, Saturday, 13 December 2008 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

you honestly think the "starlight" remixes set sounds like bargrooves?

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 13 December 2008 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry to be lazy, but if that's honestly what you think i'm not going to bother putting in the work

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 13 December 2008 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link

No I honestly think what I said above. Don't bother putting in the work then, for all I know you're actually asleep. The sheer amount of times "this is wrong" is thrown about without any worthwhile discussion on dance threads around here lately is a fucking joke...

Local Garda, Saturday, 13 December 2008 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link

you said it's "shopping mall music", i'm telling you it's not, because unlike isolee or lindstrom or michael mayer you're not actually going to hear those in a shopping mall (i heard all three of those in major chain mall stores this year)

you're telling me it's "more melodic" than other dub techno. actually, i disagree. i won't argue that the source material ("starlight" itself) is more melodic than most dub techno, but compared to other recent high-profile releases (like, say, "the coldest season" or the recent mikkel metal album) the remixes of starlight are pretty spaced out.

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 13 December 2008 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link


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