Seriously, is there anything better than the Pet Shop Boys?

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1. The music is a sub-par Expose/Miami Sound Machine pastiche.
2. The chorus, particularly the "all day, all day" or whatever it is that's being chirped by the zombie backup singers, is one of the most irritating things ever recorded.
3. Much of the production seems to revel in all of the things they did wrong with the single mix of "Suburbia", mainly in highlighting the tenuous, reedy, unpleasant qualities in Neil Tennant's voice and reducing the rhythm section to something that sounds like it should be playing during one of the car chase scenes in "Mannequin".
4. It's too mid-tempo to pull of its Expose/Miami Sound Machine pastiche and ends up sounding like a tired, plodding mess.
5. It was the first thing they released after Actually and is so much worse than everything on that album (including "Shopping") that they should be embarrassed.

Also, the original b-side version of "I Want A Dog" on the "Rent" single is so infinitely superior to the Introspective version that it isn't even funny.

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), February 24th, 2005.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, this thread was damned to redundancy with the first post.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

you really should have posted "WE HAVE LICKED PET SHOP BOY ASS PLENTY ON ILM, THANK YOU" and locked the thread.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Woah, this thread blew up while I was at lunch.

And I finally agree with Dan Perry about something! (Domino Dancing)

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, why are you so grouchy lately?

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

haha don't presume too much out of two threads, dude.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: Domino Dancing by PSB vs. Dominoes by Donald Byrd

"Watch them all fall down" vs. "Put our problems all in a row/Watch them fall like dominoes"

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

haha don't presume too much out of two threads, dude.

Okay.

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear's TS made me realize I probably can only think of five PSB songs I'd take over "Ghetto Jam."

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Domino Dancing" by PSB vs "Domino" by Genesis

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

...vs. "Domino" by Robbie Nevil vs. "Donimo" by the Cocteau Twins...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

vs "Domino" by Van Morrison vs "Domino" by Genesis.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man, I think your description of that Genesis track is one of the first things I read of yours, Dan! I have to hear that some day.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

ah so you've met him/her then, Miccio? xpost

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

what/huh?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

> I absolutely cannot tire of hearing "West End Girls". It's simply perfect.

Absolutely 100% OTM. My favourite song of all time.

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: "Two Divided By Zero" vs "One More Chance" vs "Left To My Own Devices" vs "Being Boring" vs "Can You Forgive Her?" vs "Discoteca" vs "For Your Own Good" vs "Home And Dry"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"Two Divided By Zero" wins.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(haha yeah I know but "One More Chance" comes close)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it as good as "Two Divided by Love" by the Grass Roots?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Or "Love Minus Zero/No Limit"?

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

> The amazing PopArt DVD contains all their promo vidoes and includes commentary from PSB themselves

... except that their comments are wholly unilluminating. I was so disappointed by the lack of insight offered by the dialogue. The Pet Shop Boys have probably the most interesting back-catalogue of singles and promo videos of any of their peers, and Chris Heath had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to draw out the thoughts of Neil Tennant, one of the most intelligent and articulate pop stars of the twentieth century, on this treasure trove of finely-wrought picture and sound.
Heath's commentary, however, rarely rises above the level of, "That's a nice hat you're wearing there, Chris."

As I listened and the words hit my ears / I cried sudden tears

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the commentary was fun.

"Domino Dancing" is easily one of my top 3 PSB tracks - my reasons for which are detailed on another thread. Please note that Dan tends to have excellent taste in artists, but then either loves or reviles random and/or odd tracks for reasons which escape me!

Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing" and "Can You Forgive Her" are the ultimate classics by them.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

> ... except that their comments are wholly unilluminating.

Come on! It's worth it for Lowe's hat knowledge alone!

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely loved the comments in that video. Made most of the videos way better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

In that DVD, I mean

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Go West" is their greatest video. I wrote a paper on it once.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and my sis used to rock out to se a vida e (or whatever) when we were kids. I haven't heard that song in YEARS.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I will go for "I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing" as their best video. That "videogame" with the two of them doing martial arts is marvellous.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I've heard "Domino Dancing," but wasn't a fan and now I can't really remember what it sounds like. I don't think I want to know!

And to answer the question, no. "Rent" is the best thing they've done.

daria_g, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

DARIA OTM Actually.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

> I absolutely loved the comments in that video.

Sure, some of their conversation is entertaining. But almost none of it is insightful, which I found disappointing. They're very interesting people, and at its best, their work has been culturally significant. Chris Heath knows that, and I feel he should have tried to induce a more reflective or analytical mood for the voiceover session.
Ah well. Screw art, let's dance.

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

> I absolutely cannot tire of hearing "West End Girls". It's simply perfect.

Absolutely 100% OTM. My favourite song of all time.

WOW mine too!

I wonder how high it will rank in the 80s poll (if it ever happens).

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

The title of the book is as well. One in the same, Spence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

In the UK #1's poll, "West End Girls" and "Always on My Mind" both finished in the top ten, if that's any indication. I would expect both to finish in the top ten in the 80's poll as well.

xpost

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

So Alex, the question is, are they referencing the book specifically?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone have a digital copy of the PSB movie "It Couldn't Happen Here?" I remember going to see that as a kid for the one night that it played in Santa Cruz. We all got promo flexi-singles (I should see if I still have that, and sell it on eBay!) and little mini-posters. I loved the movie at the time, but I doubt that I really was able to grasp its deeper themes and/or utter shite-ness as a fifteen-year-old kid.

A funny PSB story (also from my teenage years):

When I was a senior in high school, I got good enough grades to take classes at UCSC. I was a nice kid, but pretty clueless. So one day I'm riding the bus up to UCSC, with a PSB t-shirt on (the one with Neil holding a giant bundle of long-stemmed roses), and this guy starts chatting with me about what a big Pet Shop Boys fan he is, and how I should come over to his dorm room and check out his collection of rare B-sides, etc.

Needless to say, I was very excited. We made plans, and I ended up in his suite, listening to Pet Shop Boys records and tapes for a few hours, before heading back home. He seemed a little confused and annoyed when I left, but I thought nothing of it at the time, and we never hung out again.

It took me about 4 years before I realized what a clueless straight-boy I was.

My favorite PSB song is "Being Boring."

I remember hating West End Girls when it came out. I didn't come around until later.

And is there a thread for "Electronic," my favorite supergroup of all time?

schwantz, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

As to the last, use the search function. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI. "

i always hoped it was a reference to finlandskii station in st petersburg. thanks for confirming!

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

The title of the book is as well. One in the same, Spence.

Or rather, is there something about the song that leads you to believe this is a specific reference to the book, and not just to the historical event? Did the book 'popularize' the event?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and I haven't answered the original question: No.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Or rather, is there something about the song that leads you to believe this is a specific reference to the book, and not just to the historical event? Did the book 'popularize' the event?

You may be on the money here, Spence. I was under the impression that it was the book that popularized the expression, but I might be entirely wrong.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously, is there anything better than those double-disc Pet Shop Boys reissues, with better sound, all the b-sides, demos and rarities relegated to disc two, and incisive, funny liner notes from the pair?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost, I'm curious too and will look into it.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Pre- the first singles collection, arguably not much better in the way of literate, challenging dance-pop.

Post- that release, probably lots that might be better. Their quality control seemed to go to shit & they became the joke that was always made about all their songs 'sounding the same'. They seemed to get lazy & much less inspired.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

They were still great on "Very", but their output has been somewhat more patchy after that. Lots of great stuff on "Nightlife", though, which I consider their most underrated album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i had no idea....i always had to defend my love for psb. can we talk about the voice? its so smooth, queer and nasal yet strong and sexy - hot!! I esp. love it when he says "Phan Tum UV Thuh AAH PUH RA" on "Theatre" and the voices at the end that go crazy. Also Love "Go West" - again that voice and that ridiculous anthemic disco beat they apply to everything.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Very, I remember hearing but once but not keeping.

Sounded so clunky I remember though. It was like they ran out of gracefulness in musical and lyrical ideas really suddenly. Which was about the only thing that really saved them when paired with the thin and near-formulaic programming they had in their music.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

that ridiculous anthemic 80's disco beat they apply to everything always smacked of laziness and a too-rigid & limited musical scope to me... took them a long, long time before it got to be a bad thing though.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link


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