How many degrees separate "quasi" from "pseudo"? One? Two, maybe? So Mos Def made a comment that fake homosexuals (partly) run the rap game. That is, not actual homosexuals, just folks that feign homosexuality to appear legitimate?
Does that make Kevin Kline (see: In & Out homophobic, too? And what about Daniel Auteuil (see: The Closet?
Unbunch your pants and relax kids, I'm sure you won't find Mos Def gunning down gays with his Tek-9.
(Oops. Does that comment make me racist?)
― nader (nader), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
cheap shots about some guy acting as though hes gay = almost institutionalised homophobia???/
i mean, i guess not, but in answer to yr question, i take issue with the idea of homophobia = this sort of formula (you say this, do that etc - your homophobic), and its reverse (hey just put in these qualifiers and make sure you dont say XY or Z, and its not homophobic). what i really mean is, basically the same thing that nabisco said on this 'in the ghetto' thread thread - maybe its not homophobia, but it betrays a sort of implicit 'gay = supafunny' sort of thing. hence my use of 'institionalised' even though i know its wrong. whats the term for when its seemingly buried deep in the er...sort of societal consciousness?
anyway this makes me sound like a raving "16 years of age or hyper-sensitive members of their campus' Politically Correct to a Fault club." type.
but thats mainly because even if Mos Def is convinced that a sort of cartel of camp-acting shadowy figues were running hip hop, like why the fuck would he think that?
― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
Gays are normally not seen in a positve light in hip-hop and I was curious as to what Mos Def was getting at. It's pretty obvious to me that camp guys are not running hip-hop, so it looks like its a comment that homosexuals (ie not gays but those who are not real men, suckers, bitches...fill in any derogatory statements used by ignorants) are running hip-hop.
If you truly believe Mos Def has stumbled upon the gay illuminati...then i give up.
― scottjames23 (worrysome-man), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:39 (twenty years ago) link
― cybele (cybele), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link
― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
also,
"Gays are normally not seen in a positve light in hip-hop and I was curious as to what Mos Def was getting at. It's pretty obvious to me that camp guys are not running hip-hop, so it looks like its a comment that homosexuals (ie not gays but those who are not real men, suckers, bitches...fill in any derogatory statements used by ignorants) are running hip-hop.
If you truly believe Mos Def has stumbled upon the gay illuminati...then i give up."
good point- if you think that all homosexuals are campy men
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0005/trebay.php
ultimately, somebody needs to ask mos def what he meant in order to get to the bottom of your question- if i see him before you do, i'll try to get an answer
― naturalaw-dp, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 19:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 19:16 (twenty years ago) link
anyway. "side b freestyle," "re:definition," and "next universe" randomly came up near each other this morning. has there ever been an mc who tracked such a steep, early upward curve and then seemingly walked away? sure, there's still guest shots and he keeps threatening blackstar 2 and a follow-up to black on both sides, but will any of that ever really surface? mos seems to have moved comfortably into movie star/hip hop statesman role very early. not a problem with that, honestly, hello ford prefect but!
i kind of overlooked "next universe" at first but mos is in fire. he can barely restrain himself, hitting the end of each line so hard he's almost shouting, switching up and doing funny things like the choke ("like 'oh!'") and just running straight into a perfect semi-old school chorus. his verse on "re:definition" is fantastic too, though pertinent to this thread he throws in that "cats who claimin they hard be mad fags" line that, while not totally objectionable, just doesn't sound great coming out of a guy who's so quick. then he drops blue gelatin, duke ellington and barrington levy in succession and why doesn't this guy make records anymore?
was mos supposed to be the proto-kanye link between (self-determined) underground and (self-determined) overground? who didn't want him on their record in '99?
― .rob (rgeary), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
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