gravy train!!!, da hawnay troof, & similar outfits

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Still, thisis only based on having seen the Pussies play like three times. Had I never seen them my opinion might be kinder.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 20 June 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

etc., I really appreciate your calling on me for this topic, but really, their self-evident crapitude is its own judgment call.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

The one Coco Solid track I heard really really sucked; it distresses me that I have to hear it everytime I wanna see a picture of etc in his underwear.

― Livvie (Livvie), Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I like to say it "craptitude". More harshness man

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"supercomputer" is one of the best auckland songs ever, & since my new flat's only 2 minutes away from misfit theatre I guess I'll finally be able to get a copy of the cd.

are panty raid anything like gravy train!!!? I like the guy's fashion sense.

― etc, Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

these bands would be classic if they moved to brooklyn (ie, far away from here).

― gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 20 June 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

does cex fit into this "scene"? i've never heard most of these bands (heh or xbxrx), luckily. um howabout fannypack & avenue d as other triangulation points?

I'm guessing da hawnay toof is v.inferior to the soft pink truth.

― etc, Sunday, 20 June 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

xbxrx are wonderful and you can listen to their Lp 1200 times a day cos it's 20 mins long or so

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

They're about as close to this shit as Lightning Bolt, tho. Not enough people are listening to "N***a Please" says I!

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Roo OTM.

― Minty (Minty), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Anton OTM

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

these people need to be loaded into a rocket and fired into the sun. i myself volunteer to throw the switch.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

horrible, offensive, ill-thought out, inept cultural tranvesticism is okay apparently if the people doing it are actual trannies.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha the olympia motto)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously, though, fuck this shit in the ear

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Strongo OTM

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

There seems to be some unproperlytapped market for homosexually themed rap tho, maybe some actual rappers should get on to it

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

elton john got married mate, ya get me

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

― Minty (Minty), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it's a Jay-Z thing

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i think what really grates about this shit is that it's so often perpetrated by people who say things like "as a white person/man/"womyn"/middle class, i don't feel right adopting the codes/dress/lifestyle/affectations of other races/the poor."

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"So often"/always. If they were competent I wouldn't care, but this hideous tossedoff hiphop seems like a disgusting insult they're not even aware they're doing. This is what always fucked me off about the Pussies, Etc, I'd see them and they're all OH WE'RE ALLOWED TO INSULT HIPHOP BY DOING A STUPID JOKE VERSION OF IT COS WE'RE BROWN ART STUDENTS well uh maybe yr NOT allowed to. MORALLY.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Applies to "oh we're allowed to use hiphop badly cos we're OUTSIDERS due to our radical sexuality" too obv

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it not clear I've been known to read the Wire?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just one of those ironies that's so big and ugly and out there that you figure they have to know, yet they'll always surprise you.

xpost: well, you wear it well.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i like:

the ssion [puts on the best live show, for real]
gravy train!!!
VIP

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i like real rap music. sometimes even the kind made by white people and women.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not even sure if Mocky fits on this thread, but I'm quite enjoying his new one. Like Gonzales was, back in the day, but with added R&B smooch.

― Jason J, Monday, 21 June 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yes take a cex with them too.

xbxrx are nothing even remotely close to the style of music implied above (yes, i realize the obvious xbxrx - DHT connection). the whole lo-fi peaches via tripsters makes contadina's shelflife seem incessant.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 21 June 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Take CRACK:We Are Rock too please. Bad rapping is still bad rapping, regardless of skin color/genitalia/educational background. Profoundly irritating.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 21 June 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i've seen gravy train live twice. they're not very much like rap. it's a lot more like soft cell, especially something like "sex dwarf". so it didn't come across as particularly offensive or whatever.

people like cazwell or avenue d are much more explicitly referencing hip hop than anybody mentioned so far on the thread, i've seen them live too and there's no "joke" about it.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

also this all reminds me of trife's defense of black eyed peas = it's not rap music, it's dance music, so get over the bad rapping.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

matos "self-evident crapitude" is pretty OTM though i think the crapitude has more to do with the tossed-off-ness of the music than anything else.

i had more fun at the avenue d shows i saw than at most of the shows starring my electronica idols, though i'd never take the time to buy an avenue d album or downloading tracks or whatever.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Applies to "oh we're allowed to use hiphop badly cos we're OUTSIDERS due to our radical sexuality" too obv

this is about as dud as dj shadow complaining about hip hop sucking in 96

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we spare Extreme Animals?

― Thor, Monday, 21 June 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

finally someone brings the vitriol; I was getting worried.

(my secret reason for starting this thread - wondering whether my uh dislike of this stuff is reconcilable w/my penchant for "duff euro-rapping" or whatever (tho haha none of the ppl who listen to DHT/GT!!!/whatevah that I've met have ever, ever given anything disco-&-beyond the time of day))

― etc, Monday, 21 June 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope people dont lump me in with this kinda stuff, i really really hope.

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Monday, 21 June 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

haha i totally killed this thread. extreme animals shouldnt be lumped in with the rest of these people. they are like dj sammy meets wacky troll rave noise. a tru gem.

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Cex getting brought up in this thread saddens me a little.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Me and Vahid should've queered it out obv

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, al, i know like HOMETOWN PRIDE and all, but c'mon

― jess, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll make you a deal: i won't hold cex against you if you don't hold cassidy against me

― jess, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ SAMMY WAS AWESOME!!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

extreme animals are definitely influenced by the cheez-e trance. lotsa epic synth breakdowns/washes.

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

well I don't think I've actually heard a single other artist mentioned in this thread, so I don't actually know if Cex is comparable or any better or any worse, but when I first saw him DJ and he was spinning DMX and M.O.P. instrumentals at indie shows, well it was pretty refreshing 4 years ago. and I don't think he gets enough credit for the fact that he went from a gimmicky live show where he pretended to rap and freestyled on silly topics, to actually writing full verses of fairly serious rhymes and becoming an at least slightly above average undie MC. but he quickly moved onto something completely different, so whatever.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

i'm interviewing hawnay troof soonish - anyone have any way of formulating questions that won't be too um insulting yet will still be fairly accusatory?

― heh, Monday, 20 September 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

boring
annoying
something tha peope think is amusng
who gives a FUCKanywayers

― [email protected], Tuesday, 21 September 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M NOT GOING. I hate them all!

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

xbxrx were a superb band to rival Hendrix at his finest why do you bother w/this shit, exsinger of xbxrx?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

My local record shop is claiming that the new Gravy Train album sounds like the Shangri Las singing Peaches. This sounds oddly appealing.

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

Well its definitely preferable to Peaches singing Shangri-Las.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

It's a bit garage rock and bit rubbish, and I used to have a lot of time for Gravy Train!!!!.

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

i like hawnay troof's enthusiasm. but it's kinda empty enthusiasm. it's like watching kids who've had too many red bulls playing air hockey; kinda fun for about a minute, then really really dull.

xbxrx are the sha-na-na of hardcore. i assume that's the point, though.

― Lawrence the Looter, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

gygax and strongo 1,000% OTM (3 years ago and many many posts ago)

― Eisbaer, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:48 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

this stuff really did turn out to be the future of popular music, didn't it

― some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:12 (fourteen years ago)

xbxrx are the sha-na-na of hardcore. i assume that's the point, though.

wtf?

― sarahell, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:19 (fourteen years ago)

wow, i'm pretty sure i SAW gravy train (!!! i guess) back in 2004 or thereabouts, but i remember almost nothing about them. certainly don't remember them being offensive enough to merit the kind of reaction they got here, but hey who knows.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:34 (fourteen years ago)

four years pass...

I was thinking about Hawnay Troof today for some reason. I saw them (when they were a duo) in 2003, performing in a dive bar in central Europe in their underpants, and it was definitely one of the most entertaining shows I've seen. Not that musically accomplished, of course, but somehow welcoming, intense and fun all at the same time. I had a copy of their LP Get Up! Resolution Love, but it wasn't great except for a few tracks, and I failed to investigate them any further until today, when I found this from 2008, and I dunno, it's pretty good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqT0vgx73CI

Not surprised they/he got a kicking in this thread as he does appear to be sort of a hipster, and people will hate hipsters. What I'm surprised about is that nobody mentioned HT in the context of gay hip-hop, because (especially on the first LP) at least half the tracks seem to be explicity about gay sex, and that isn't something you encounter that often even now, and even less so in 2003.

― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 30 May 2016 21:13 (ten years ago)

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