Been trying to figure out how and why Waters became the purported focal point of Pink Floyd, or at least how he came to be seen as the sort of Robbie Robertson of the band. Up until "Animals," iirc, the band more or less shares songwriting, with Waters getting the "all lyrics by" credit (like anyone cares about that). After that he generally snags the "all music and lyrics by" credit, but was that just a power move/symbolic gesture? I just find it weird, because I like Waters less as a singer than I do Gilmour (and Wright), certainly less of a player than David and Nick, and can't imagine Floyd's success even in the later years, or especially in the later years, without Gilmour tempering Waters' cynicism et al.
Anyway, I've never dug into Floyd lore that deep because I generally don't care, but those of you who know this stuff, was it Waters' credits grab that started the schism? Is it just his behavior c. "The Wall" or post Floyd that earned him his rep as a Mike Love sort? Or was he always a jerk? Or was it more of a mutual thing, with Gilmour sort of a jerk, too? Certainly the rumored negotiations behind the 87 reunion did not make anyone look good.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 July 2016 12:59 (eight years ago) link
except that a considerable proportion of floyd fans _do_ listen to them for the lyrics. the reason "dark side of the moon" was an immense, epoch-defining breakout album for them wasn't because they started writing better music on that album (they didn't). it was roger waters' epic bum trip that really hooked the kids, that started him being seen as an artist and a poet.
also worth bearing in mind that waters didn't exactly force a coup on the band over the strenuous objections of the rest of the group. after syd left, nobody wanted to be the frontman. they just wanted to hide in the back and play their instruments while distracting the crowd by occasionally crashing a plane into the stage. so while waters' growing ego became a problem, it was, i'd argue, part of the larger problem of their difficulties handling global mega-fame.
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 July 2016 13:29 (eight years ago) link
it's also worth considering the possibility that waters was having an increasing amount of difficulty writing lyrics to other people's music, particularly as the members of the band grew apart due to their circumstances. waters had to do a lot of lyric rewriting post-dsotm- he completely rewrote the lyrics to the songs that would become "dogs" and "sheep" after their 1974-1975 live performances, for instance. even more tellingly, there's a tape of early demo recordings for the "wall" album. it's mostly similar to the final version, except that "comfortably numb", where the music was written by david gilmour, has totally different lyrics... and they're garbage. just awful, awful lyrics. if the song had been released with those lyrics, it certainly would not enjoy the reputation it does today.
so this may be part of the reason waters wrote most of the music for _the wall_, even though roger waters' musical gifts are, uh, modest, to say the least.
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 July 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link
Waters take looking back has always been that the other guys stopped contributing. It's a shame of course. I liked Rick Wright's early songwriting enough to make it my first thread on ILX.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 2 July 2016 14:27 (eight years ago) link
What's a good 70/71 show to start with for live Floyd newbs?
― pacific distances (sciatica), Saturday, 2 July 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link
the bbc recordings of 70/71 are a great start (71 is also known as "meddled")
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Saturday, 2 July 2016 14:41 (eight years ago) link
the best bootleg in terms of playing/quality i've heard beyond that is '71 san diego
Wow these lyrics are indeed embarrassing o_O http://youtu.be/KFBcXwmNeUY
― niels, Sunday, 3 July 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link
niels: not that one, goofball :)
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 July 2016 23:42 (eight years ago) link
I hate Waters but I think he had no choice but to step up to the plate as the rest of them just seem to have given up at some point - Rick Wright especially. BBC In Concert from 1970 is absolutely perfect - soundwise and performancewise - apart from Waters' (who else) abysmal "If".
― They could have been Stackridge. (Tom D.), Monday, 4 July 2016 00:23 (eight years ago) link
Heard some more rumblings about a 60s focused Floyd set coming out sometime in the near future...
me too . . . fingers crossed. . . .
http://www.imwan.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=98590&sid=807d86b4f6a7679cafbfe5dc1fd70b02
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 00:01 (eight years ago) link
oh and
http://www.esf.edu/top10/2016/10.htm
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 00:09 (eight years ago) link
Pink Floyd stamps
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0935/1310/files/Pink_Floyd_Stamps_large.png
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnSQ8A6WIAAbRA5.jpg
― Kenneth Without Anger (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 14 July 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, scrap bibles in schools!
― Mark G, Friday, 15 July 2016 08:53 (eight years ago) link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUZjhIvsWWc
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― j.o. seasoning (how's life), Friday, 15 July 2016 11:18 (eight years ago) link
Oh, wait. This one is worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfIzrfkerDs
― j.o. seasoning (how's life), Friday, 15 July 2016 11:22 (eight years ago) link
Behind the scenes photos of Gilmour at Pompeii: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/ng-interactive/2016/jul/14/david-gilmour-live-at-pompeii-a-photo-essay
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 16 July 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link
Realized this morning that i'd never listened to Dark Side of the Moon in full. I listened to it expecting to be impressed but I couldn't sit through the whole thing. I don't know why! I like The Wall though.
― best beloved trumppence (crüt), Saturday, 16 July 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link
That's wild to me.
Then again, my boss says he spent the summer after high school cleaning out a chicken house at night while listening to The Wall on repeat. I still haven't been able to look at him the same way since he told me that.
― pplains, Saturday, 16 July 2016 23:00 (eight years ago) link
The clock shit is annoying
Too many slow songs
Good album though
"Money" is so awesome
― brimstead, Saturday, 16 July 2016 23:05 (eight years ago) link
Ah, so you're looking for http://i.imgur.com/U1YYWBQ.jpg
― pplains, Saturday, 16 July 2016 23:58 (eight years ago) link
haha
i'll take this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PKHYDqxEAE
― brimstead, Sunday, 17 July 2016 00:07 (eight years ago) link
^^lulz
re the comf numb text those demo lyrics for verse 1 and 2 are indeed p laughable imo peaking atListen. I am a physician. And I can handle your condition like a magician.
― niels, Monday, 18 July 2016 11:33 (eight years ago) link
Listen to some punk groups
― how's life, Monday, 18 July 2016 12:09 (eight years ago) link
While listening to Animals again today, I found myself wondering why it doesn't quite have the reputation that Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and The Wall have. To say it's an underrated record would just be plain stupid, as it's considered to be part of Floyd's so-called "classic" run, but where there's been countless articles on the albums before and after, and documentaries made about Dark Side... and Wish You Were Here, and you don't have to look very far online to read someone's geeky analysis of The Wall, Animals just doesn't get the same treatment, as great as it is.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Monday, 18 July 2016 23:21 (eight years ago) link
It's also incredible to think that the bulk of Animals and Wish You Were Here was written during the same period, immediately post-Dark Side. Gilmour apparently wanted 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' and the tracks that became 'Dogs' and 'Sheep' to be on the same album but Waters disagreed.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Monday, 18 July 2016 23:26 (eight years ago) link
because the songs are too long for radio
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 01:00 (eight years ago) link
xp listened to Animals this weekend & thought the same thing - mookieproof OTM
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 01:19 (eight years ago) link
"Do I hear dogs barking on that thing?"
― pplains, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 03:03 (eight years ago) link
Well also it's not "pretty" in the way that Dark Side or Wish are, which probably limits the fanbase.
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 03:41 (eight years ago) link
There wasn't a single. The timeline was pretty compressed, as it is kind of wild to consider only four years pass from Dark Side to Animals. The two records before it were huge and probably threw quite a bit of shadow even on Animals as a new album. And in a couple more years (as Floyd came unglued in the background) an even more expansive and huge radio hit album in the Wall happens. I can kinda see why Animals isn't quite as known taking all that into regard.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 03:55 (eight years ago) link
I like going back to Animals more frequently because of its unfamiliarity in relation to the albums that surround it.
― Austin, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 06:12 (eight years ago) link
Animals is a bit of a relative triumph given how the in concert versions of You Gotta be Crazy and Raving & Drooling were so leaden.
I feel the pull of Roy Harper on this record too, especially Stormcock and HQ wrt structure and that kind of righteously ticked off vocal delivery.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 07:42 (eight years ago) link
Interestingly, once the early years box comes out, it'll be the only studio record left untouched by the reissue project (apart from The Final Cut and who is gonna go *there* in a hurry)
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 07:45 (eight years ago) link
I think of Animals as Floyd's punk album - released in 1977, nasty lyrics, unusually vigorous playing.
― heaven parker (anagram), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 07:50 (eight years ago) link
vocals on Sheep are pretty David Byrnish
― niels, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 08:54 (eight years ago) link
I once asked Guy Pratt if Waters played much bass on the record, the bass on Pigs seemed unusually dextrous for Waters, he just laughed and looked at me like I was an idiot.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:35 (eight years ago) link
The 8-track version of "Pigs on the Wing" with Snowy White guitar solo in the middle rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGSPUOaHYn4
― heaven parker (anagram), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:49 (eight years ago) link
I crack up silly whenever I hear that thing.
I mean, it is good and all. Just sounds out of place after hearing it the other way for 20 years.
― pplains, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:21 (eight years ago) link
Is there anywhere you can listen to or download stereo fold-downs of the various quadrophonic mixes?
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:46 (eight years ago) link
WISH YOU WERE HER
― calstars, Saturday, 23 July 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
Wish You Were Herve
― how's life, Saturday, 23 July 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
http://shop.pinkfloyd.com/the-early-years-box-set-1965-1972
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• Comprehensive 27-disc box set, 7 individual book style volumes
• 20+ songs previously unreleased, 7+ hours of previously unreleased live audio performances, 5+ hours of rare concert footage, along with 5 7” singles in replica sleeves, collectable memorabilia, feature films & new sound mixes
• BBC Radio Sessions, remixes, outtakes, & alternative versions over 11 hours of audio (made up of 130+ tracks) as well as live TV performance in over 14 hours audio visual
• Previously unreleased tracks include 1967’s Vegetable Man and In The Beechwoods, which have been mixed for the first time specially for this release
• 2 historic Quad mixes (1 unreleased), plus new 5.1 mixes of Meddle and Obscured By Clouds albums
• Plus Pink Floyd’s early vinyl singles - the first 5 UK releases, (1967-68) remastered from original tapes, original sleeves / heavyweight vinyl / paper labels replicated
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― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 22:58 (eight years ago) link
haaaaa, hopefully there is a more budget friendly version of this stuff ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 22:59 (eight years ago) link
There is, but no idea what's on it:
Cre/ation - The Early Years 1967-1972Set across 2 CD’s, Cre/ation The Early Years 1967 – 1972 charts the evolution of the band and bears witness to their part in cultural revolutions, from their earliest recordings and studio sessions to the years prior to the release of The Dark Side Of The Moon, one of the biggest selling albums of all time. From the single Arnold Layne to the 24-minute epic Echoes, fans will see the invention of psychedelic progressive rock via an insightful collection that explores the Pink Floyd story from the time Roger Waters, Richard Wright, Nick Mason and Syd Barrett met at London’s Regent Street Polytechnic, through to Syd’s departure and David Gilmour joining to form the iconic lineup.SKU: PF_88985363142/1$15.99
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link
hoping for a remastered version of "Scream Thy Last Scream"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 23:53 (eight years ago) link
Page has been taken down now but is still on google cache.
They should have made two boxes, one for the Syd years and one for the early Waters years. This is too bloated.
― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 28 July 2016 07:03 (eight years ago) link
There was a 2cd "1967-1972 Cre\Ation" set there yesterday, "From Arnold Layne to the 22 minute "Echoes" " it looked like it was all previously released stuff, although there was no track listing.
― Mark G, Thursday, 28 July 2016 07:25 (eight years ago) link
Oh, you said that.
― Mark G, Thursday, 28 July 2016 07:26 (eight years ago) link