One for all and all for oneMuskerhounds are always ready
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link
I'm seeing how long I can go without hearing this tbh
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:26 (eight years ago) link
Don't worry, even if you do, you'll never think of it again.
― MaresNest, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link
I wonder if anyone has played this for the Trump campaign yet
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
I think the main problem with it is that it's Stone Roses in 'classic rock' mode, and not sure why anyone would want that. John Squire seems to be set against absolutely everything that made them briefly interesting in the late 90s. If you want to launch a comeback without offering either what you originally brought to the table or something new, then why even bother?
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:46 (eight years ago) link
late 80s sorry, typo
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link
Since when did ripping off a Fall b-side constitute an attempt at classic rock?
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:52 (eight years ago) link
it lacks the groove and the funk which they brought to rock music
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:55 (eight years ago) link
lol
It sounds nothing like a fall b-side, what? I mean same problem they had since Love Spreads, John Squire playing stale licks like it's 1974, no groove whatsoever.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 13 May 2016 16:00 (eight years ago) link
The Fall song in question has been posted twice already on this thread.
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link
Ah. Can't listen to YouTube links right now. Still, different problem.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 13 May 2016 16:11 (eight years ago) link
Based on what I've observed over time, I think Brits view this band far differently than Americans and have a much bigger hurdle to jump over in terms of being able to listen them without an instinctual sense of contempt and disapproval. Over here in the US, we don't have all this baggy pants and media hype baggage to deal with, and we can hear them without all the attendant bullshit that came with their ascent. That's how I'm making sense of the out-of-scale hatred of this new song.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 16:52 (eight years ago) link
yes very otm
listened to it once on my phone and I thought it was fine if a bit repetitive. Of all of them, Ian Brown sounded the best.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 May 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
there is the hype surround the band but, for me, there is also the fact that the self-titled album and a few songs either side of it are legitimately great and this is garbage
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 13 May 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link
I don't think that we as Americans have been so isolated from the world that we can't identify plodding nonsense when we hear it.
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 13 May 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-xO72s5EBY&feature=youtu.be
kinda weirded out by how much this sounds like contemporary mercury rev
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Friday, 13 May 2016 17:03 (eight years ago) link
also fwiw I think both albums and most of their b-sides are incredible so perhaps I am more predisposed to this band than most
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:05 (eight years ago) link
the only thing of theirs I genuinely thought was garbage was that Stairway to Heaven rip on Second Coming, I can't even remember what it's called I've tried to erase it from my memory
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
I think Brits view this band far differently than Americans and have a much bigger hurdle to jump over in terms of being able to listen them without an instinctual sense of contempt and disapproval
http://wemeantwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/eagle_weeps.jpg
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link
https://dl2.pushbulletusercontent.com/yl6LiJ6byxzLCBjicOPhwsLIYv3wb1ro/IMG-20160513-WA0005.jpg
― Poacher (Chinaski), Friday, 13 May 2016 17:14 (eight years ago) link
I understand about half of that
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:16 (eight years ago) link
john squire is a menace who should have his led zep albums burned, possibly in a pyre with him on top.
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 13 May 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link
let's mix reni really low and not have any reni backing vocal, as if reni isn't the best thing about the band
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 13 May 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i think the reni backing vocals are key to their best songs, even though many people might not notice them. his contributions in general are central to what made them work, even if they were understated contributions.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link
also-- can you guys articulate what exactly you hate about the drums on the new song? is it the playing or the mix or the EQing? They don't really strike me as being particularly bad.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link
me neither. it did strike me as a rhythm that doesn't particularly suit them, that old school R&B swing thing
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link
All I know is that I've listened to this song twice and I have no desire to hear it again.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Friday, 13 May 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
there was something irresistible about the s/t but even @ age 14 I intuited that this was some kind of miraculous one-off, not the work of a Great Band
― always be charging (rip van wanko), Friday, 13 May 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link
I dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.
timing, of course, is the essence. Also, they did it, I did not.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 May 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
yeah but would you mix it right and choose the right hat/anorak and is primal scream at the height of their popularity, etc
― always be charging (rip van wanko), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:21 (eight years ago) link
height of Primal Scream's popularity was a couple years later also lol yes anyone could write an album as good as the debut, which is why so many have amirite
god this thread is full of nonsense
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 May 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link
at least I've heard a cool Fall song I've never heard before out of this
― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link
if you're only familiar with the album, then you might be under the misapprehension that the S/T tells the whole story. There's another entire album worth of b-sides (that I'm pretty sure were recorded at a different time) that are as good as or better than anything of that album.
I doubt that very much. I'd love to hear your music and make that assessment myself. I'd love to hear even one song as good as the worst song on that album, but to say anyone could crank out an album of "This the One"s or "I am the Ressurection"s or "She Bangs the Drums"s or "Waterfall"s, that just seems absurd. And yes, I realize this is a conversation about taste, but come on, this seems pretty silly.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link
rip van, exactly.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 May 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link
xp. they're talking total pish.
one of the worst mark g posts ive seen and that's saying something
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:45 (eight years ago) link
i actually listened to the first album for the first time in a very long time recently. it still sounds pretty good. the pop catchiness of the songs definitely a strength. the second album was okay but not nearly as smooth a listen obviously. and nowhere near as good as the second suede album. the baggy dudes don't age well in general though. they are all kinda burnt from their party daze.
i checked out the new song on their youtube channel and yeah its pretty lame. but diehard fans will probably force themselves to love it. also just sound-quality-wise it sounds terrible on youtube. demo-ish.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 May 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
That's exactly what i said upthread, it sounds like a demo.
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
I'm just being wacky, don't mind me.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 May 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link
because the songs are important, but only a quarter of what makes it
― Mark G, Friday, 13 May 2016 19:48 (eight years ago) link
I'm trying to understand what the other 3/4s is, because I live in the US and didn't really discover them until about 1999 or so, so I didn't have any historical context or timing issues to consider. I think I just like the songs and the production?
― Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link
anoraks, swagger
― soref, Friday, 13 May 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link
Anoraks?
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link
This entire thread should explain it to any puzzled Americans
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 13 May 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
Y'know, for some reason this new track feels like an edited down version of something longer. I wouldn't be surprised if there turned out to be a much longer version of it. I agree that it sounds very demo-like too.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Friday, 13 May 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link
lol at eyeball kicks' pic in that thread. no way those dudes are wearing properly fitted shoes
― dynamicinterface, Friday, 13 May 2016 23:35 (eight years ago) link
Also sounds like an edit to me. Concise solidarity/good vibes number, musically it's in the vein of the first half of 'Standing Here,' but obv more energetic. I like it.
― jaywbabcock, Friday, 13 May 2016 23:56 (eight years ago) link
dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.timing, of course, is the essence. Also, they did it, I did not.― Mark G, Friday, May 13, 2016 1:19 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lol this is all time, wow
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 14 May 2016 00:27 (eight years ago) link
all-time wrong.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Saturday, 14 May 2016 00:52 (eight years ago) link
not defending the band ever, just wrong.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Saturday, 14 May 2016 00:54 (eight years ago) link