Stone Roses - Stone Roses: C/D?

It's not THAT bad. It's just not that great either.

Turns out John did have *some* desire to desecrate that grave after all ...

also, the other thing I realized: the lyrics are bad, but when I think about them in context, as a commentary on the band itself and where they are in this moment in time, they make more sense-- especially as a lead single. still not good, mind you, but a bit more understandable.

Turns out John did have *some* desire to desecrate that grave after all ...

his first solo album was called "Time Changes Everything", so perhaps not a complete shock.

this ain't no Beady Eye

what a fuckin turd

It's not THAT bad. It's just not that great either.

yeah pretty much. it's so harmless I dunno why everyone is falling over themselves to destroy it.

on the other hand. it kinda sucks.

I have no idea why people are falling over themselves to be disappointed by this inconsequential song from a band who have always quietly gone about their business with no attending hype or mythology

Aside from "I Wanna Be Adored", this band is some of the biggest bullshit

it is that bad.

I'm not disappointed, I fully expected it to be shit. If anything, I'm quietly pleased that it is.

Actually, they have never been the band that gave owt for nowt. If this had been a free download and a "We're Back" type thing, then fine. But I more or less remember them being barely in their own videos, "Love Spreads" was invested by din't of being issued with a large fanfare and nothing else, and as for "Spike Island" why not set up stall some place impossible to get to and charge how much?

None of those things on their own are bad, just..

Aside from "I Wanna Be Adored", this band is some of the biggest bullshit

I also like "She Bangs the Drum", "Waterfall" and "Fools Gold".

Just seen (by me, anyway), this is coming out on 7" and CD single. (1st July)

B-sides? It doesn't say, but I expect nowt.

xpost I do like those three, never fussed about "adored"

I'm not disappointed, I fully expected it to be shit. If anything, I'm quietly pleased that it is.

i wasn't even going to listen to it but this pleasure you mention is what drew me towards it. it is fitting and right that this is terrible. a good bookend.

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I'm seeing how long I can go without hearing this tbh

Don't worry, even if you do, you'll never think of it again.

I wonder if anyone has played this for the Trump campaign yet

I think the main problem with it is that it's Stone Roses in 'classic rock' mode, and not sure why anyone would want that. John Squire seems to be set against absolutely everything that made them briefly interesting in the late 90s. If you want to launch a comeback without offering either what you originally brought to the table or something new, then why even bother?

late 80s sorry, typo

Since when did ripping off a Fall b-side constitute an attempt at classic rock?

it lacks the groove and the funk which they brought to rock music

lol

It sounds nothing like a fall b-side, what? I mean same problem they had since Love Spreads, John Squire playing stale licks like it's 1974, no groove whatsoever.

The Fall song in question has been posted twice already on this thread.

Ah. Can't listen to YouTube links right now. Still, different problem.

Based on what I've observed over time, I think Brits view this band far differently than Americans and have a much bigger hurdle to jump over in terms of being able to listen them without an instinctual sense of contempt and disapproval. Over here in the US, we don't have all this baggy pants and media hype baggage to deal with, and we can hear them without all the attendant bullshit that came with their ascent. That's how I'm making sense of the out-of-scale hatred of this new song.

yes very otm

listened to it once on my phone and I thought it was fine if a bit repetitive. Of all of them, Ian Brown sounded the best.

there is the hype surround the band but, for me, there is also the fact that the self-titled album and a few songs either side of it are legitimately great and this is garbage

I don't think that we as Americans have been so isolated from the world that we can't identify plodding nonsense when we hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-xO72s5EBY&feature=youtu.be

kinda weirded out by how much this sounds like contemporary mercury rev

also fwiw I think both albums and most of their b-sides are incredible so perhaps I am more predisposed to this band than most

the only thing of theirs I genuinely thought was garbage was that Stairway to Heaven rip on Second Coming, I can't even remember what it's called I've tried to erase it from my memory

I think Brits view this band far differently than Americans and have a much bigger hurdle to jump over in terms of being able to listen them without an instinctual sense of contempt and disapproval

http://wemeantwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/eagle_weeps.jpg

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I understand about half of that

john squire is a menace who should have his led zep albums burned, possibly in a pyre with him on top.

let's mix reni really low and not have any reni backing vocal, as if reni isn't the best thing about the band

yeah, i think the reni backing vocals are key to their best songs, even though many people might not notice them. his contributions in general are central to what made them work, even if they were understated contributions.

also-- can you guys articulate what exactly you hate about the drums on the new song? is it the playing or the mix or the EQing? They don't really strike me as being particularly bad.

me neither. it did strike me as a rhythm that doesn't particularly suit them, that old school R&B swing thing

All I know is that I've listened to this song twice and I have no desire to hear it again.

there was something irresistible about the s/t but even @ age 14 I intuited that this was some kind of miraculous one-off, not the work of a Great Band

I dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.

timing, of course, is the essence. Also, they did it, I did not.

yeah but would you mix it right and choose the right hat/anorak and is primal scream at the height of their popularity, etc

height of Primal Scream's popularity was a couple years later also lol yes anyone could write an album as good as the debut, which is why so many have amirite

god this thread is full of nonsense

at least I've heard a cool Fall song I've never heard before out of this

there was something irresistible about the s/t but even @ age 14 I intuited that this was some kind of miraculous one-off, not the work of a Great Band

if you're only familiar with the album, then you might be under the misapprehension that the S/T tells the whole story. There's another entire album worth of b-sides (that I'm pretty sure were recorded at a different time) that are as good as or better than anything of that album.

I dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.

I doubt that very much. I'd love to hear your music and make that assessment myself. I'd love to hear even one song as good as the worst song on that album, but to say anyone could crank out an album of "This the One"s or "I am the Ressurection"s or "She Bangs the Drums"s or "Waterfall"s, that just seems absurd. And yes, I realize this is a conversation about taste, but come on, this seems pretty silly.

rip van, exactly.