Bloodflowers.
― Austin, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
Wish.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:06 (eight years ago) link
Bloodflowers is alright, but I'm not sure I would call it essential.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link
Bloodflowers is my least favourite, it's difficult to rank the later albums because they're mostly patchy. Get the Join The Dots compilation or The Glove side project if you don't have them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:13 (eight years ago) link
Thanks for answering. I have Join The Dots, which is great on the whole - but the later stuff isn't so inspiring.
My prejudice tells me that Bloodflowers is awful, for some reason. Maybe the cover. I've never dared to listen to it, but maybe I should.
The Glove seems a great recommendation - thanks.
― Duke, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:27 (eight years ago) link
-Wish is quite frustrating because it's overall a really nice sounding album, 4 totally brilliant songs but the rest just bore me. It's probably the album I'd be most reluctant to listen to as a whole.-Wild Mood Swings is good but spoiled by a third of the album.-Bloodflowers is heavier and really dense and deserves credit for trying something really different, it seems like an interesting direction they could have kept going in but I just don't enjoy much of the songs. -The Cure exists in a few different track listings. It can be a slog but I still think there's some great stuff in there.-4:13 Dream is the most consistent of these, one of their most accessible albums ever but it doesn't have the heights of most of their albums. But I think it's fun.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link
The Cure was the highest placed (#12) post-Disintegration album in the poll I ran a few years ago. Bloodflowers was #14, Wild Mood Swings was #16.
― nate woolls, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link
I am in that camp which adores Wish but then I was 17 when it came out and would have adored anything they put out
― always be charging (rip van wanko), Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:16 (eight years ago) link
Actually Wish was #8, missed that one.
― nate woolls, Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:18 (eight years ago) link
Bloodflowers is really slow; I will concede that. It's essentially a rehash of the second half of Disintegration, but everything is really refined.
Yes, the cover art is terrible.
― Austin, Friday, 6 May 2016 00:07 (eight years ago) link
i guess people didn't like my Cure thread bump from yesterday.
― Bee OK, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:00 (eight years ago) link
anyways, Bloodflowers live is pretty amazing. a bunch of those songs are really good but yeah not an album i go back to often.
― Bee OK, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:01 (eight years ago) link
I think Wish is one of the band's best records, I'll often reach for that over Disintegration which I find a bit of a slog.
I think everything post-Wish is very patchy with WMS and the self-titled album having the highest high points.
― Birds in Hell, Friday, 6 May 2016 08:15 (eight years ago) link
here's a short* playlist of post-disintegration stuff i reckon is good
WantLabyrinthFrom The Edge Of The Deep Green SeaDoing The UnstuckWatching Me Fall39OpenThe PromiseEnd
*it's like an hour long lol - basically they became p crap at short, punchy songs, but they gained a weird knack for overwrought epics that actually work, imo jusslike
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Friday, 6 May 2016 09:00 (eight years ago) link
Playing Bloodflowers now. 'Out of This World' is such a damn fine opener.
― Austin, Saturday, 7 May 2016 02:44 (eight years ago) link
as far as their later stuff goes I like 'Underneath the Stars' a lot
― ufo, Saturday, 7 May 2016 03:35 (eight years ago) link
4:13 Dream would be much better if it didn't have such fucking shocking production.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 7 May 2016 15:57 (eight years ago) link
Yup
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 7 May 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
I'd probably rank post-Disintegration like this:
Wish >>> Bloodflowers > 4:13 Dream > Wild Mood Swings > The Cure
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 7 May 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
Took the plunge and am listening to Wish on Spotify... Odd how I'm slightly scared of ruining The Cure for myself by hearing their less great output. All good so far. (And this album is 14 years old!! Where have I been?)
― Duke, Saturday, 7 May 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link
Erm, I meant 24 years old!!
The Wish b-sides are arguably better than half of what's on the proper album.
― Austin, Saturday, 7 May 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link
The one track I would bump from Wish would probably be 'Wendy Time', although I've never been much into 'Trust' or 'To Wish Impossible Things', either. The rest of the LP rules.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 7 May 2016 23:06 (eight years ago) link
yeap, Wish is a good album. also agree with the b-sides from this era, great.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 May 2016 23:59 (eight years ago) link
seeing them in two weeks, can't fucking wait!
Oh man, that's going to be a great show. I expect full details.
― Austin, Sunday, 8 May 2016 02:45 (eight years ago) link
Setlist from the opening night of the tour in New Orleans:
Openalt.endAll I Want (first performance since 1987)PushIn Between DaysFrom the Edge of the Deep Green SeaStep Into the Light (new song - live debut)Sleep When I'm DeadA Letter to Elise (first performance since 2008)HighThe WalkLovesongJust Like HeavenTrustWantThe Hanging GardenOne Hundred YearsEnd
At NightMPlay for TodayA Forest
Dressing UpPiggy in the MirrorShake Dog ShakeGive Me It
Burn
It Can Never Be the Same (new song - live debut)
― Birds in Hell, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 11:07 (eight years ago) link
I guess there'll be a new album soon then.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 13:09 (eight years ago) link
I am still staring at the Seventeen Seconds encore followed by the The Top encore and going "wooooooooow"
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 13:31 (eight years ago) link
i was about to post that set list. so excited, just a few more days until i go.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link
Not holding my breath for a new album since those two songs are probably part of that old set of 2008 leftovers.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 15:06 (eight years ago) link
I don't think I listened to the last three albums more than once, and doubt I will again.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 15:07 (eight years ago) link
cool story
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 15:23 (eight years ago) link
glad they played Push /danbait
― always be charging (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
I'm spinning 4:13 Dream for the first time in ages and... christ, this would totally be one of the very best of their late-period records if they'd taken the time to get it to sound decent. I honestly don't think there's a bad song on here!
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
I can't go that far (hi dere "The Reasons Why" and "This. Here and Now. With You") but I do agree that 4:13 Dream has very, very strong material on it that is sometimes undermined by how it was mixed, although I don't know if I really want "The Scream" or "It's Over" to be mixed any other way.
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
Oh, I like those two... but 'The Scream' is definitely one of my highlights, I just love the build on that.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link
I don't dislike them but they are, to my ears, the most ungainly songs on the album.
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
What about 'Switch'? I can't help but feel that one's a touch underrated!
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link
I agree with you. I think the entire album is underrated aside from the two songs I called out.
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link
I recall "Hungry Ghost" being the highlight.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:04 (eight years ago) link
Question for Cure nerds: Robert Smith is obviously the iconic face of the band, but the Cure has always seemed more collaborative than it gets credit for. By Kiss Me and Disintegration lots of musical ideas/demos were coming from the other guys, right? And I assume on Wish, too? So do you think the dissolution of that awesome five piece line-up (and especially the departure of Boris) sort of screw with the group's mojo enough that Smith has been having trouble coming up with the goods? Or all of them have been struggling? I imagine it's hard to keep the winning streak going as you get older, but the band's always been more or less unstable (except for that - coincidence? - super run of Head through Wish, with all its attendant, prolific b-side goodness). What's different now? Has Robert talked about writer's block?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link
I remember Smith saying after the last album that he was often trying to write new songs and kept scrapping them, saying "I've done this before and it was much better the first time" and that he didn't care that much if there wasn't another album.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
i've always really enjoyed 4:13 Dream. What's wrong with the sound of it? The guitars sound good to me. Maybe the vocals are a little too upfront? I dunno. Please tell me!
― brontosaur, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
Listen to, I dunno, 'High' from Wish back to back with, say, 'The Only One' and it should all become clear.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link
Apparently, after doing this, it all becomes very muddy. Except for 'High', that thing sounds great.
― brontosaur, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
Yup. It all sounds a bit flat, particularly the rhythm section.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
I have to say though, "This. Here and Now. With You" is kinda great.
― brontosaur, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 19:31 (eight years ago) link
the last two albums just don't sound good, bad mixing decisions, roger's keys all but absent. don't know what they were thinking. also, both albums entirely too long. great albums inside them though.
― akm, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 19:33 (eight years ago) link
Roger wasn't on 4:13 Dream at all! That was when he and Perry Bamonte were "let go" from the band and Porl Thompson was back in. Now Roger's back and Porl is out, and Perry will probably never come back. A shame, as that was a decent line-up. Not exceptional, like the classic 1985-1992 line up, but still decent.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 19:37 (eight years ago) link