metacritic is prob more popular and influential in a scores-to-purchases-ratio sense than p4k or fantano but i'm not sure if that means we should dissect its every move
― dyl, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 19:58 (eight years ago) link
metacritic is so fucked too
― maura, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
i met someone irl recently who seems to legit like fantano (unsurprisingly his main determinant for whether to check out music is -- openly -- whether it's been well-reviewed... for SOME REASON he started listening to contemporary rap for the first time about two years ago). he says he often reads what has been written about albums on wikipedia before listening also.
so basically
(album) received generally (positive/mixed/(almost-never-)negative) reviews from contemporary music critics. ((writer) of (publication) praised the (thing), writing (quote).) x n
is the way a probably-not-insignicifant number of "passionate millennial males" are deciding whether to listen to music now
― dyl, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:03 (eight years ago) link
oh i forgot to include the obligatory sentence about its metacritic score in my wikipedia "critical reception" section formula, sorry. it should always be the second sentence in the section fyi.
― dyl, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link
hey there, not saying that fantano is necessary to any discourse or that his opinions are law, just that he often likes good stuff regardless of its pitchfork cachet
pitchfork is manifestly a greater force for cultural arbitration (and thus evil) than fantano but ilx treats its opinion like a fucking holy book sometimes
fantano is easier to pick on coz he's a wacky dude who makes wacky youtube videos and so ilx picks on him in lieu of trying and failing to pick on pitchfork which it can't pick on because it's in fealty to it
mercifully free of this complex i say fuck pitchfork and fuck what it says, forever
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
except for when it employs brad or the other ilx people who sometimes write for it *crosses self*
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
Fuck Complex too, now that you mention.
― how's life, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
ilx treats its opinion like a fucking holy book sometimes
this is such trash dude
― marcos, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
verily I cast thee out
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link
like you are posting in a thread called "pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series)" created almost a decade ago xp
― marcos, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link
imago thinking fantano has great taste is definitely ... well its not surprising, thats for sure
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link
this thread is the fond mockery of the obsessed and the besotted
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link
"passionate millennial males"
https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/top/?sort=top&t=month
― Evan, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link
almost a decade ago xp
also i was wrong, more than a decade! like 15 years ago!
― marcos, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
on our year-end polls, each album and track's pazz and jop placement is announced...and then its pitchfork placement too. no other publication receives this privilege. of course there are countless other examples of pitchfork's centrality to the discourse
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
idk aren't there a lot of p4k staffers past & present who post here
― marcos, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (7490 of them)
― dat login (wins), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, May 4, 2016 8:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
known for your critical rigour, you have extrapolated 'great' from 'often likes good stuff' and are surely bound to strike again
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:29 (eight years ago) link
this is an "ignore LJ" moment folks
― de l'asshole (flopson), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:29 (eight years ago) link
too true, apparently he only got a 7.6
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:33 (eight years ago) link
lol that should have been 5.1
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:37 (eight years ago) link
ilx
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:39 (eight years ago) link
http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/92f094f881cb805fa168a4defeabd6ad/201527734/lead10-2016-acura-ilx-fd.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link
LOLJ
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 21:45 (eight years ago) link
I would bet there is a better good-review-to-purchased-album ratio from a Needle Drop than Best New Music at this point
literally no-one in the biz would take a needle drop absolute rave over a pitchfork 8.0
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 5 May 2016 01:59 (eight years ago) link
I don't think festival bookers or whoever have picked up on it yet
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 May 2016 02:10 (eight years ago) link
Simply cannot believe people in THE BIZ are out of touch! Someone brew some coffee and call Lefsetz, we're gonna have an all-nighter!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 May 2016 02:12 (eight years ago) link
Ian Cohen's ANOHNI tweets
I wish blocking somebody extended to hearing about them on Facebook, group chat, irl conversation, not to mention their livelihood
Whatever room that man is in he is the worst man in it
― fgti, Thursday, 5 May 2016 07:35 (eight years ago) link
he contrasted it with an emo album about the awesome overwhelming organizational powers of hetero love which is unfortunate
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 May 2016 11:13 (eight years ago) link
(meaning the hotelier's goodness)
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 May 2016 11:17 (eight years ago) link
he awesome overwhelming organizational powers of hetero love
how is that any different from most emo
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 May 2016 12:03 (eight years ago) link
i would totally buy an album about the overwhelming organizational powers of hotelier love.
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2016 12:58 (eight years ago) link
most emo is extremely bitter about the failures of straight love!
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 May 2016 14:17 (eight years ago) link
That's also really interesting to see what looks like a very aggressive rebrand of Pitchfork to include more R&B and Datpiff rap mixtapes instead of like reviewing 300 Burger Records clones and letting Grayson and Marc talk about Hair Police or w/e. All of which means more POC, more women, more LGBT — all unquestionably awesome and great from a purely ideological and philosophical standpoint that I'm sure 100% of ILX (including myself) would laud.
I wish Pitchfork wrote about Hair Police.
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 5 May 2016 14:21 (eight years ago) link
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson),
cynic = failed romantic, etc
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 May 2016 14:26 (eight years ago) link
straight love drives like THIS. and gay love drives like THIS. is what i think when i see "straight love". i've watched too many simpsons.
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2016 15:19 (eight years ago) link
lol
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 May 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link
One makes babies and the other makes 9/11
― fgti, Thursday, 5 May 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link
― ejemplo (crüt), Thursday, 5 May 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link
they come to me in my hair
― contenderizer, Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:02 (eight years ago) link
why are all the references to Scientist in the past tense, dude is still alive:http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21810-junjo-presents-wins-the-world-cup/
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:09 (eight years ago) link
well I guess it's one reference "was a master of the form". He's still a master of the form!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:10 (eight years ago) link
I feel like what's happening to P4K now is roughly analogous to the way Melody Maker went down. Less outsidery stuff, short form winning out over long form, a lot of writers who'd been there for a while suddenly disappearing or marginalized, ham-fisted attempts to court audiences outside their regular demo. I see why it's being done of course, it's just not all that interesting to me.
― Position Position, Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link
short form winning out over long form
curious narrative derived from a site that started out publishing 600-ish word reviews and still publishes 600-ish word reviews. like, i know i'm a contributor but i'm not exactly here to defend the site, i just don't see this (or see it in a way that isn't also echoed in 100 percent of the rest of the internet)
a lot of writers who'd been there for a while suddenly disappearing or marginalized
several contributors followed jess hopp to mtv news
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link
Well, if you open up the site the first thing you see at the top of the page are three short form news stories. There are less album reviews being published, or they've been bumped to the Saturday graveyard. The Out Door is gone. The Pitch and track reviews are somehow not very easy to find. There are boxes all over the homepage full of short news stories. That's clearly the emphasis now.
― Position Position, Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
junjo lawes was the king of 1982! love him soooooo much.
my friend tippa does gigs with scientist. very alive and very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvKX64DHmqI
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:37 (eight years ago) link
ALSO TIPPA'S NEW ALBUM ON STONES THROW IS REALLY GOOD PITCHFORK YOU SHOULD REVIEW IT. pitchfork lurks here, right? here's tippa giving me my copy.
https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13001289_10154700574167137_1744310443394894160_n.jpg?oh=911b102d6928f91564fdacb9227d4a97&oe=57A2F355
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link
lol these clueless squares actually know a fuckload more about actually making money than, say, yrself (or me, mind)
needledrop review = hey cool! somebody might maybe come to a show and buy merch!pitchfork review = hey cool! money!
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:18 (eight years ago) link
― Position Position, Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:13 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk if 2012 counts as "been there for a while" (and I still write for them, plan to keep writing for them) but I would say the fluctuation, movement and disappearance of writers is more due to a) larger media trends and b) events in writers' personal lives.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:20 (eight years ago) link
Quitting writing is like planting a tree, the best time to do it was 10 years ago, the second best time is now
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:35 (eight years ago) link