(This thread got me looking for this album for the first time in years but I don't seem to have it anymore. I'll see if I can find a copy.)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
I have no idea who wrote what songs, Frank E, and neither do you. "Doll Parts" and "Violet" and "Malibu" and "Jennifer's Body" and "Mono" are as good or better than anything Cobain ever wrote.
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost: Admittedly I haven't heard much of anything post- or pre-LTT aside from the odd single.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Look, I don't usually let myself get carried away on these stupid threads, but your insinuations are incredibly fucking sexist and ignorant and I wish to God you'd shut the fuck up. This is so insulting across the fucking board.
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Except when it was just cleverly-or-not-so skewed powerpop.
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
yes! and that is when he *ruled*!!
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Really? Like how you think her "husband or boyfriend or fuck buddy" wrote her songs? Read between the lines.
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
You might as well say it's not important who produced the record, or who played guitar on it. Sure, they're still *her* songs no matter who twiddles the knobs on the soundboard, but it's still a crucial element of creating the record. (lotsa xposts)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Haha, Chuck, you got some competition on that front!!! ;)
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Don't go telling me she's a great songwriter then...
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
If I say that Elvis' songs were written by a lot of black people, am I being anti-white?
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Joan Jett and Lita Ford are fucking awesome.
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
It's INTERESTING, maybe. But it has NOTHING to do with how good the record is. Period. (And yeah, it does have something to do with how good a songwriter she is. Obviously. But I've already explained why I believe she's a better songwriter than her alleged ghostwriters are.)
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I can hum the chorus to "Miss World" and I've heard a really great arrangement of "Malibu" once. Saw Hole twice live. And I just don't think much of her beyond any of that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I really don't see the relevance of the 'who wrote it?' debate either.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link
The question being mooted since this thread heated up (in my pea brain, at least) is Chuck's claim that she is a better songwriter than her husband.
xpost:Have any of her "fuck buddies" ever come out and said Courtney doesn't write her own lyrics?
That would be debating her lyricism. Chuck brought up songwriting.
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
You could say that about a lot of artists, though.
― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Should I say something about radical subjectivism now?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Isn't that what ILM is all about?!?
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Yes, actually, that would be a big fucking deal. And not just for women wearing lab coats. Oh fucking hell, it's neither here nor there. (But I do get your point, Blount.)
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link
and celelbrity skin and live thru this sound very much like they were written by the same person (at different points in the market cycle)(fwiw gimme the best parts of celebrity skin over the best parts of live thru this ANY DAY)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link
this -- gimme the best parts of celebrity skin over the best parts of live thru this ANY DAY -- is also true, celebrity skin has better singles even though I think LTT is a better album (i.e. has fewer crappy songs).
But I love those two records, and other scattered Courtney stuff. I don't understand the hate either. Not liking her music, being put off by her shtick, OK, I can see that even if I completely disagree. But the nastiness toward her comes from other, viler places.
― spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link