Beyonce in 2016 - 'Formation' and Lemonade

xp I guess the fans that went nuts on that poor woman (thinking she was Jay's side chick) would feel pretty foolish. But they should anyway.

i remember some old r|t|c post talking about someone as ILX's premier water torture arguer or something, anyone recall this?

anyway that's how i feel reading longneck

oh sod off.
The "it was all a dream" solution would simply make Beyoncé an old fashioned post-modernist, playing with semiotics. Her project since the self-titled album has been to claim some sort of truth, even when that truth resides somewhere between public perception and singular vision. She's more knausgaardian than anything. It's all about bringing what's hidden, repressed and forgotten to light.

that feels like a retrofitted narrative to me. we saw the elevator video.

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes and now we know all about the details of their relationship!!!!!!

the creative process necessarily involving fiction and fantasy as well as fact is not "manufacturing drama"

songs do not narrate events exactly as they happened, lemonade was a film not a documentary. beyoncé has been writing about being cheated on for her whole career and made an album with a narrative arc about marriage from struggle to joy half a decade ago. this is an album partly about cheating but whether jay-z cheated or who becky with the good hair is are things we don't actually know and nor do they matter

I'd say authenticity is just about the only thing Beyoncé can't afford to lose at this point. There are some weird details in the lyrics though, like the reference to her "dead" dad.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 23:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

I'll be so angry if it turns out that Beyonce's father never actually handed her a gun and gave her free licence to shoot any man that crossed her.

Deej:

real heads will know that it's titchyschneider that is actually ilx's premier subliminal chinese water-torturer - geir is but childs play in comparison

Well the point is that there's always art and fiction involved. This is no confession, and even if was there's no direct recourse to reality. What we get is lemonade, a cultural and commercial product. These are basics. But if you try to sell me lemonade and it turns out there are no lemons in it, I'm not buying.

ahaha that's it!

is longneck titchyschneider? serious q

No. Are you an idiot? Serious question.

very different posting styles IMO.

I thought it was p obvious who titchy is now

I don't even know who titchy is. Deej, I'm fine with annoying you. You can be pretty annoying yourself. But at least try to formulate an argument instead of just lumping me in with some poster who happens to be an ilx laughingstock, okay? My posting style is definitely different from yours. I get the impression that you enjoy being the guy who is always right, who knows the best and that you post accordingly. I often use this board to test the thoughts I'm the least certain about because something is bothering me and formulating it - even bluntly - makes my responses to whatever it is we're considering clearer to myself. Opposition is fine - I often learn from it. My impression of this album has changed from day to day and I partly thank this thread for that. But what you're doing now is pretty unhelpful.

tuomaschneider. but not even

I thought it was p obvious who titchy is now

― cher guevara (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 April 2016 07:41 Bookmark

i don't think this is correct btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gd06ukX-rU

I thought StillAdvance was Titchy actually.

had hoped we could sync menses without naming names

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2dXNnv1rmk

Anyway it strikes me that Beyonce is possibly the only globally successful pop singer who truly appreciates the awesome power of MYSTIQUE, like 17 years or whatever into her career and we still know relatively little about her, which is not something you could fling at Kanye or Taylor Swift or Drake or whoever and expect it to stick. So doing a straight confessional soul-baring record would be a very un-Beyonce thing to do, and the need to preserve that mystique is why I can believe either story here. It's as likely to be a Jay & Beyonce narrative conceit as it is to be a PR-exercise-meets-face saving-retcon.

possibly the only globally successful pop singer who truly appreciates the awesome power of MYSTIQUE

uh

let the people say the hyperbole about the bey

hybeybole

hyperbeyle

beyperbole

hyperbobey

i thought the last album was very soul-baring, like offering us a glimpse at her own process of self-discovery.

some folks like their lemonade with a garnish of bey leaf

oops thought this was the other thread where everyone is talking about beverages sorry

Obviously all the lurking eyerolling lamers come out of the woodwork when you make a claim like that without actually making an argument in response. Also I mean actual A-Listers so don't say 'FKA Twigs' or 'Jute Gyte' or anything.

How quickly we forget Lady Gaga -_-

Lady Gaga doesn't strike me as particularly interested in mystique, not in the way of someone like Beyonce whose public pronouncements seem extremely tightly controlled.

Obviously in the current era of endless trite social media beefs and Twitter arse-fingering then Gaga is positively sphinxlike.

heard a track from Lemonade on v103 it was "sorry, not sorry" and it was kind of cool her voice had this delay pedal sound to it that was very lofi

Just got kinda stonedly blown away by some song on radio and it turned out to be 6 Inch :)

Anyway it strikes me that Beyonce is possibly the only globally successful pop singer who truly appreciates the awesome power of MYSTIQUE, like 17 years or whatever into her career and we still know relatively little about her, which is not something you could fling at Kanye or Taylor Swift or Drake or whoever and expect it to stick. So doing a straight confessional soul-baring record would be a very un-Beyonce thing to do, and the need to preserve that mystique is why I can believe either story here. It's as likely to be a Jay & Beyonce narrative conceit as it is to be a PR-exercise-meets-face saving-retcon.

― Matt DC, Friday, April 29, 2016 8:18 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like the achievement of this album might be that she gets personal without sacrificing any mystique.

i think the mystique is part of why so many people feel so invested in beyonce. the actual content of the "message" in this album is less important than the fact that she controls it... and not in some wafflish way, but like, she is only going to speak on this affair stuff once and it is going to be in the form of an expensive, elaborate, precisely choreographed visual album.

i kind of like the conclusion, where she takes him back. i don't like jay-z but i think our culture is too saturated with un-nuanced views of infidelity that are like, burn all the cheaters

Obviously all the lurking eyerolling lamers come out of the woodwork when you make a claim like that without actually making an argument in response.

Sorry, I was just astounded that someone could forget about Prince so quickly.

I meant of the current generation, obviously Prince had more mystique in his little finger than most popular stars have in their entire bodies. I think mystique is in general an undervalued currency in *current* pop but his generation really got it.

Actually Prince is pretty much a perfect lesson in how to construct an edifice. No one really knew who he was because the persona he created was so compelling no one really cared. Whereas you know exactly what Kanye West thinks about absolutely everything.

I thought the self-tilted album was the personal album? Sounded pretty personal to me, which is one reason I liked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tunoFXAZCc4

lol @ everyone calling Daddy Lessons a Beyonce country song. That's some sub-Mumford shit.

is it just me or is 'hold up' just a slowed down pitch shifted 'orinoco flow' sample?

"'love drought' is too rainbow pony princess" is as bad as "'daddy lessons' is some sub-mumford shit"

It is *very* Orinoco Flow but definitely not a sample (different chords for one thing).

http://youtu.be/kO_vKrVxGJM

Also covered by The English Beat and Renegade Soundwave

RE: love drought; it's just a lot of frosting.

"Sorry" has been stuck in my head for days, so that's something.

when I listen to "Sandcastles" this is all I hear

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JI1kq6CA_38

Great show last night. The sound was your typical stadium mishmash -- her vocals were pretty clear, but a lot of the music was just a rumbly mass. Heck of a spectacle, though, and she was fierce throughout. I started imagining that the real beyonce was the 50-foot-tall one on her magic light cube, and the little person onstage just the manifestation of her that our dimension can handle. The setlist was career-spanning. I missed "Single Ladies," but I respect that she's at a point where she doesn't have to play it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/gypsyfrocksbedlam/9fb57f55-f18b-41dc-8d1c-aa356c1638ad_zpsybw3kvgo.jpg

My son was suitably astounded, even though he faded toward the end (well past his normal bedtime). He was also jazzed about the opening DJ Khaled set, which brought a ton of people up for single-song cameos: Ludacris, T.I., 2 Chainz, Yo Gotti, Rick Ross, etc.

i'm at the stage of thinking this might possibly be better than the s/t