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blunt, the diff w/tabloids is that the reporters can always find someone to actually say the quotes they're using, so their asses are covered, even if that person is their girlfriend who met posh spice once and is identified as "am acquaintance of victoria beckham" ... ass-covering. so so important.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Distressed by the sorry state the Village Voice finds itself in, ILM goes all 50 posts/hour over it in March 2006.

Let's see, I've been misquoted as many times as I've been interviewed, once a journalist called to ask if he could put a certain phrase he had thought about to my credit. Since then I've become a journalist myself.

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

No I'm really talking about printing complete bullshit and having the means to pay for the consequences.

On a sideline I'd be willing to talk about the "truth" found in right-wing politico editorials. But we're having fun ?

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

I really can't believe anyone is defending this. I don't agree with you at all Yancey...in fact I was pretty surprised at your take on the matter. There's no difference between being a "writer" and a "journalist" when it comes to the law, which is why publishing (possibly damaging) lies is something that any publication must avoid. Anyone who is seeing this as an issue of style is willfully ignoring the morals at play.

"just adoring the kid" is the same line of crap that was swallowed during the Ruth Shalit melodrama. And then she turned right around and burned Salon with more of her "errors."

I'm really curious to hear the opinions of editors on this thread--matos et al--would you run a Nick Sylvester piece or would you blacklist him? Is his "style" or voice or writing chops so unique that you can't live without him?

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

it's a big day for music shitstorms

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/02/D8G3NUIG0.html

― ftgsdag, Friday, 3 March 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)

blacklist

How about just "fire". There's no reason the guy needs to be blacklisted. He made a huge error, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't ever be able to work again.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

obviously he should be fired.

I'm not saying he shouldn't work again. I'm saying who is willing to hire him or assign him, what are the parameters, what is going through your head, and why is he worth it? If you're Nick, what is your groveling strategy? I'm saying, with the Ruth Shalits of the world paving the way (her serial "inaccuracies" that continued after her flameout with the New Republic and the Washington Post), who wants to hire Nick and why? With all the things to worry about as an editor, I'm curious who wants to take on the baggage, and the rationale behind it. Maybe it's a lot more simple than I'm making it.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Nick isn't like those other writers though. He's a failure as a satirist/parodist, but as far as I can tell he never tried to pull a fast one on his editors. Everyone knew his bag was creative semi-fiction. He deserves to be suspended and maybe he deserves to be fired, but this is just not nearly the same thing as Blair/Shalit/Glass/etc.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:45 (twenty years ago)

I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT NICK'S BAG.

― Doug Simmons, Friday, 3 March 2006 00:50 (twenty years ago)

i think one disconnect on these kinds of things is that some percentage of the general public just assumes that reporters make things up all the time. so they don't get why fabrications in a harmless fluff piece matter.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

"it's a composite, like new york magazine does"

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

i remembered another guy who made stuff up and it ruined his career (NOT) - mitch albom!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

this might be the only place where anyone would give a shit about nick sylvester and his bad journalism

― this, Friday, 3 March 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

and two others but frankly they're so far out of sylvester's class (way beyond meltzer) it'd be embarrasing to mention them

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

fuckit - aj liebling and joseph mitchell

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

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― account settings (account), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

Do I think the guy's career should be over? No. Do I think the Voice should fire him? Maybe; that's their ball of wax. If they simply kicked him back to doing straight music crit and his Riff Raff thing, would I be outraged? Not really. As much as this guy is being slagged, he's still a kid. Frankly, maybe that's part of the problem -- Senior Associate Editor at the Voice, and he's a year or two out of college? Now I don't know what that title signifies exactly, but it sure doesn't sound like Nick's experience was suited to the position -- especially if he couldn't handle writing a full feature, as has been implied.

Frankly, I feel a little sorry for him. With the exception of Rob Christgau's Pazz and Jop write up this year (which was pretty great), Nick Sylvester's stuff was pretty much the highlight of their music coverage, at least in my opinion. I think that he needs to be punished, certainly, but I am I going to wish that the guy gets wiped out permanently by this? Nah.

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

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― account settings (account), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah letting a blogger write for you is one thing - to each his own, it takes all kinds, whatever - but to make one an editor = ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

you reap what you sow

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Nick off Pitchfork staff page.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:18 (twenty years ago)

The blogger thing doesn't throw me so much -- most of the stuff he wrote was pretty much blog sized anyway. Plus (love it or hate it or be ambivalent towards it) he did write fulll length criticism for P-fork which was far more in-depth than anything usually available on the Voice. I mean, unless you think Christgau writing a non-commital sentence about an album that dropped four months ago is fascinating. Seriously, I need to get on the tenure track. A MINUS.

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

yeah letting a blogger write for you is one thing ... but to make one an editor = ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?

What's wrong with bloggers? I mean, there are plenty of bloggers who would make (or already do make) perfectly good editors.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:22 (twenty years ago)

Very interesting.

It even made me break my silence here.

― Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Nick off Pitchfork staff page.

get one cntl-f search function, funny guy. he's still under contributing writers. or are you saying he was pulled off managing editors list?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/staff/

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

wait blount yr putting nick in albom class? seriously, dude's had enuf!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:32 (twenty years ago)

BTW, does this mean that Deerhoof isn't the best band in the world, or will they get to keep the title?

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:32 (twenty years ago)

yes, he was pulled off the editors list cuz I saw him there this morning. OH SNAP!
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― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:33 (twenty years ago)

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:MBd60QIPOpkJ:www.pitchforkmedia.com/staff/+%22ryan+schreiber%22&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a
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Spot the difference!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

now he's off the writers list! Soon he'll be deleted from all our memory files.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:38 (twenty years ago)

Who'll be deleted from our memory files?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

Who's Nick Sylvester? OH FUCK DOM BEAT ME

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:44 (twenty years ago)

herodotus >>>>>>>>>>>> liebling, mitchell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meltzer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>junod>>>>>>>>sylvester>>>>>albom>strauss

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:47 (twenty years ago)

No one is worse than albom, blount.

― My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:49 (twenty years ago)

seriously!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:50 (twenty years ago)

dude was an original sports reporter - that's gotta count for something!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:52 (twenty years ago)

Tuesdays With Morrissey?

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:52 (twenty years ago)

albom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>skip bayless

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:53 (twenty years ago)

spot-on

― gear (gear), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:56 (twenty years ago)

still not enough gap between Junod and Sylvester, Blount. Seriously dude.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

skip bayless--"super bowl is boring with no stars like tom brady and seattle and detroit are second-class cities. also: winter olympics is for fagz"

― gear (gear), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

"No one is worse than albom, blount."

Hello, Bob Greene! (who, like albom, started out with a shred of human decency)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

ohh bob greene....that was a hard fall

― gear (gear), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

it is kinda sad that the good espn dudes (ralph wiley, hunter thompson) die (halberstam watch your back!) and skip bayless and woody paige and colin cowherd are still drawing breath.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:01 (twenty years ago)

albom>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>skip bayless

-- j bloun

A turd would be better than Bayless.

― van igloo (van smack), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

bob greene writes for the jewish world review now (i think). which is probably a fine periodical...

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

i'm searching for albom's interior monologue as ben wallace so that we can hunt for the real killer here but i'm coming up with nothing.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)

"senior associate editor" = "co-executive producer"

I'm still confused what makes this guy (whom I don't know) a satirist. The target in his cases seem to be the form - giddy/stupid pop-culture features - first and foremost, not the subject. That's the difference between, say, "Weird" Al's "Fat" or "Eat It" and Randy Newman's "Rednecks." It's also what keeps things like the Onion and the Daily Show so sharp - imitation of the form (newspaper/newscast) is just the platform for satire, not the whole of the joke.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

Wiley was like a soccer dad who desperately wanted to be cool. Obviously I didn't wish any harm to come to him, but I don't miss his writing.

Bayless' work is the ... er, gold standard for shitty opinion pieces.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

the jewish world review's line-up, with a few exceptions, is like a who's who of idiocy:

Michael Barone
Mona Charen
Linda Chavez
Ann Coulter
Greg Crosby
Larry Elder
Don Feder
Suzanne Fields
Paul Greenberg
Bob Greene
Betsy Hart
Nat Hentoff
David Horowitz
Marianne Jennings
Michael Kelly
Mort Kondracke
Ch. Krauthammer
Lawrence Kudlow
Dr. Laura
John Leo
David Limbaugh
Michelle Malkin
Chris Matthews
Michael Medved
MUGGER
Kathleen Parker
Wes Pruden
Sam Schulman
Amity Shlaes
Tony Snow
Thomas Sowell
Cal Thomas
Jonathan S. Tobin
Ben Wattenberg
George Will
Bruce Williams
Walter Williams
Mort Zuckerman

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

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