R. Kelly - "Trapped In The Closet"

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needs comparison w. 'apocalypto' in ref 'does he know what he's doing'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The first... six? (I don't remember how many I watched before I gave up) episodes of "Trapped in the Closet" all revolve around the common theme of cheating black people, some of whom apparently are criminals, waving guns at each other. I, personally, find the entire thing pitiful. I do not like the way it presents its chosen imagery; there are plenty of ways that one can entertain using non-flattering portrayals of people but the ham-fisted "I'MMA GET MY GAT"/"BABY BABY WAIT"/"CALM DOWN, NIGGA"/"HAHA NOW I GOT MY GAT"/"BABY BABY WAIT"/"OOH I'S SHOT" bullshit throughout the first six episodes is not something I want to see, particularly not over that insidiously queasy beat.

I called it a minstrel show because, in my opinion, the entire thing is playing up to and pandering to a particular image that can be encapsulated by the sentence "R. Kelly is one crazy nigga!" As I said earlier, you can go ahead and watch that if you want to but, personally, I think it's some bullshit that cannot be divorced from some extremely ugly racial overtones.

FIN

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm, I can see what Dan is getting at, but OTOH I'm not really sure all the stereotypes mentionned constitute the attraction of TITC. Maybe I'm fooling myself, but the simple idea of a soap opera set to music and released in installments on MTV is pretty unique. The story itself is pretty secondary IMO.

pandering to a particular image that can be encapsulated by the sentence "R. Kelly is one crazy nigga!"

Yeah maybe. Hard to say. I'm drawn to R. Kelly because he seems to combine a very successful craftmanship, churning out strings of brilliant singles, as well as a sense of experimentation quite different from what's expected in the genre he's working in. I loved R. Kelly before TITC and I probably don't need to hear it again, but I still think it's pretty cool of him to try out stuff like that (and that he dresses up as Zorro for award shows).

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 January 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

It's opera, or at least operetta, with modern music and setting. The story isn't far from "Cosi Fan Tutti", and to me it seems a rather clever use of tropes and stereotypes in the long-standing tradition of those art forms. I can understand the "minstralsy" take in that it is using some particular racial stereotypes in its presentation, but that can also be seen as updating the racial stereotypes prevalent in opera/operetta. I think it is how one chooses to view it - I don't see it as any crazier than the scenarios presented by Gilbert & Sullivan or Mozart or Shakespeare. I find it amusing more for the novelty of that style in the modern era than the "R. so crazy!" thing.

EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I would be more sympathetic to that argument if I thought "Trapped in the Closet" was clever.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not quite up there with Pirates of Penzance though, is it?

x-post; and yes, I think that's part of the thing too. TITC does seem extraordinarily dumb, and the audaciousness of it's dumbness is what made me revive the thread. There's a midget in a cupboard having an affair with a policeman's wife?!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

classic opera trope.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it okay for black people to make fun of and/or play with stereotypical exaggerations of black culture? Even if they know there are (shhh!) white people watching?

Yes. And it's no big deal.

Plus, R. Kelly genuinely does seem to be one crazy ... ummm, R&B celebrity. This makes his "I'm so craaaaaazy!" schtick a lot easier to swallow.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for solidifying my point, Adam! Much luv.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

nicely done, a-dogg.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's fair to say that "Trapped In The Closet" is the most punk recording of the 21st century.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

R Kelly's not mental because he had a midget in a closet having an affair with a policeman's wife in a 12-part hip-hopera (if the ludicrous humour of that isn't apparent to him then he might be mental, but the ludicrous humour of that simply CAN'T be not apparent to him, surely); he's mental because he videos himself pissing on the underage nieces of his musical collaborators and marries 14 year-olds and gives three albums the same name, and stuff.

Who is Adam Beales?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"R.Kelly's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy RnB-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the early 00's. People fought and died so our generation could listen to something better. "

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Who is Adam Beales?

Hearing that in my head a la Mike Jones is not helping my sanity.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Ye gods, when did everyone get so touchy?

R. Kelly is obviously at least kinda/sorta crazy --the craziness being obvious for the reasons Mr. Sick Mouthy mentions above, among others. And his material is (again, obviously) rooted in a frankly stereotypical vision of black culture and the entertainer's role in that culture. Oh, and he's black. Am I allowed to admit that I noticed that?

So what? The appeal to his work as a whole is the craftsmanship, the pop genius, the genuine humor, the controversy, the lunacy and (yes, to some extent) the total obliviousness. It's universal.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait a minute, didn't somebody save this thread a while back? What happened?

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Adam now hammering home Dan's point, speaking of 'total obliviousness'

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait a minute, didn't somebody save this thread a while back? What happened?

http://pajamasmedia.com/images/2006/02/Fingerpoint.jpg

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Kelly urinated on an underage girl or sold 36 million albums or made TITC by accident, Adam.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"I don't think Kelly urinated on an underage girl or sold 36 million albums or made TITC by accident, Adam."

Aaargh. I'm not saying that.

I am saying that it's reasonable to suggest that Kelly's not totally in control of his persona. If you don't think he comes off at least a little bit messed-up in a deep-down, genuine sense, that's cool. I'm not sure either way, but I think it's reasonable to have doubts about who he is and what he imagines he's up to.

And even if you read it as ENTIRELY self-aware meta-comedy, TITC is pretty blatantly chowderheaded. Again, that's fine. Recognizing that something is kinda dumb shouldn't prevent you from enjoying it.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Urinating on an underage girl = insanity, perhaps worse
Selling 36 million albums = "craftsmanship, pop genius, genuine humor"
Making TITC = goofy pop novelty/vanity project

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

if average white dudez think R. Kelly is crazy, it probably more due to that Dave Chappelle pee on you skit than TITC...i know for sure that's the first time a lot of people i know even knew who R. Kelly was.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

srsly? never heard 'she's got that vibe'? 'i believe i can fly'?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess its because i live where i do but everyone knows about R Kelly here.

We had to sing "I Believe I Can Fly" at 8th grade graduation

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

a lot of people i work with never listen to pop radio or watch mtv....they might've heard "i believe i can fly" but that would be the only one, just cuz it was on space jam.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

space jam was a minstrel show

max (maxreax), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey baby won't you be my dog, and I can be your tree, and you can pee on me.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

For the record, I think that Dave Chappelle thing is fucking hysterical.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Who's Dave Chapelle? is he the guy Bauer capped in the head in series 3 at 7am?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Trapped In the Closet:Music::This Thread:ILX

Makes you thirst for some New Critics to come along and tell us to judge the work completely on the basis of the text, and ignore the bloody artist.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

it's not my job to be rock critic.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

IT IS NOW

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm a conscientious objector!

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Would that I had been so wise.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Makes you thirst for some New Critics to come along and tell us to judge the work completely on the basis of the text, and ignore the bloody artist.

...

cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 January 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I've just seen it, and I already want to watch it again. It is amazing. I can honestly say I have no idea what the hell it is. I liked the music, too. Plus it had Omar.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I also knew it was genius when he pulled out his beretta.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

...which is not a beretta, but a colt. another nice detail.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...

Um, so I just saw a commercial on IFC "10 brand new chapters on DVD in stores August 21st" and they're playing it on the channel on the 13th.

http://ifc.com/static/sections/kelly/trapped.html

marmotwolof, Sunday, 5 August 2007 09:05 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

lol this thread

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

space jam was a minstrel show
-- max (maxreax), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:43 (8 months ago) Link

lolol

Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I still stand by my initial excitement over the first 5 chapters. I only got halfway through those shitty new chapters released this year, though.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link

The second set of chapters were so, so, so awful

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

REDEMPTION

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link

R. Kelly was like "if Dan's gonna call this a minstrel show, then I'm gonna give him a motherfuckin minstrel show."

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

All that was missing was Twan getting caught in the chicken coop

da croupier, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link

lololololololololololololololololololololololol

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

(ps I have been drinking)

HI DERE, Thursday, 4 October 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Soon playing at the Cinematheque Francaise:

http://tinyurl.com/2y2996

amateurist, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, what if Scott Stapp DID make something like TITC, and a lot of black people dug it because of the "juxtapositions of white stereotypes with outrageous non-sequiturs"?

rip adam beales

and what, Friday, 4 January 2008 00:49 (sixteen years ago) link


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