shifts in popular opinion you have noticed

They're not so well known these days, but back in the 90s The Nightblooms came up with some pretty great ideas about how to use the Queen influence without sounding overly nostalgic, so it can be done.

That's the only Heron O cut that has anything REMish about it. The rest is Fairport Comets on Fire. Likely album of the year for me. But then I decided to grow back a beard around the time it came out.

i remember when i was a teen and i was so excited to go see The Adolescents. this is 1986. i NEVER thought i would get to hear those songs live. just figured it was one more thing that had passed me by. i wasn't going to hardcore shows in 1981. the place was full - anthrax in CT - and another band was playing that night and i swear to god i was the ONLY person there excited to see The Adolescents. everyone else in the place just stood there with their arms folded until whoever they came to see played. dag nasty or youth of today or whoever. i had never felt so old in my life. washed up at 17. this is 5 years after The Adolescents debut and in hardcore years that might as well have been a century. they played great too.

don't know if anyone else here has had an experience like that.

Queen is much more a thing now with the kids than even in the early nineties.

Really???!!! Granted I don't know anyone under the age of 20 these days, but I was one of those adolescents who got into Queen due to Wayne's World. How the heck are the youth of today getting into Queen?

I saw the adolescents open for weezer and red hot chili peppers for the las vegas bicentennial? this was in like 2005. anyway, no one in the crowd gave a shit, but john frusciante was losing his mind just to the right of the stage

I think there has been a bit of a shift away from that smart underachiever white dude indie aesthetic of Pavement and Weezer, although I see a warped version of it in Mac DeMarco.

freddie mercury is a major idol to 'post-gender' 'queer' youth of today

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queen is timeless and awesome. they are not germane to the discussion.

I think there has been a bit of a shift away from that smart underachiever white dude indie aesthetic of Pavement and Weezer, although I see a warped version of it in Mac DeMarco.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if by "warped version" you mean "smart underachiever white dude indie aesthetic," then yes, Mac DeMarco counts

YOU GUYS

i saw mac demarco today

on the L train

so u cd say he was taking the L
(bc he is a loser)

This isn't a musical artist in particular, but an instrument...

After two decades in hibernation, the saxophone seems to have regained its coolness as a solo instrument in popular music. Maybe not to the degree it enjoyed in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, but it's no longer the squarest fucking element in a song imaginable (and I'm grateful for that).

he looked really grimy in person. when i got on the train i thought "this guy looks familiar" but i didn't for a moment think he was famous. i thought he was an old friend from college who i had forgotten about. but moments passed and i couldn't place him. then i realized he was mac demarco.

i remember when i was a teen and i was so excited to go see The Adolescents. this is 1986. i NEVER thought i would get to hear those songs live. just figured it was one more thing that had passed me by. i wasn't going to hardcore shows in 1981. the place was full - anthrax in CT - and another band was playing that night and i swear to god i was the ONLY person there excited to see The Adolescents. everyone else in the place just stood there with their arms folded until whoever they came to see played. dag nasty or youth of today or whoever. i had never felt so old in my life. washed up at 17. this is 5 years after The Adolescents debut and in hardcore years that might as well have been a century. they played great too.

don't know if anyone else here has had an experience like that.

― scott seward, Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:37 PM (1 hour ago)

great post, and yes this sounds like me at a 1986 Husker Du show where the Zero Boys were opening, wondering why all the kids were going around in a circle all of a sudden instead of the early-80's chaos pit. washed up at 20.

meat and potatoes stax/atlantic type soul/r&b doesn't seem to be that cool nowadays. not as cool as 80s stuff or orchestrated 70s stuff.

soft doughy 'classic pop songwriter' dudes like jimmy webb or lou christie were kind of cool in the 90s

Queen certainly influenced Muse and Dave Grohl says theyre an influence on Foo Fighters

I feel like any modern band that tries to go "theatrical" is often in some way indebted to Queen, or at least Freddy Mercury.

― MarkoP, Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:25 PM (Yesterday)

Yeah, influence only by obvious copycats inspired seems awfully reductive. The Cars seem present not just in The Strokes, but in Weezer, though less directly, and maybe pop punk as a genre. U2 in acts like Coldplay and Creed, plus your more anthemic postpunk strains. Don't really hear any R.E.M. in Heron O tho.

^ "...measuring influence only by..."

re: cars, see also "stacy's mom"

― never ending bath infusion (Doctor Casino), Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the most pitiful legacy for the brilliant sound of the Cars

Ocasek's work on the second Suicide album was arguably influential

The tropical vibez, jumbled vocals etc

Yeah the most obvious influence there is on Manu Chao, who was a Clashite from the start. Puta's Fever was the post-Clash album Joe Strummer would have loved to have made.

It also seems like John Cale has superseded Lou Reed somewhere along the way.

Yeah the most obvious influence there is on Manu Chao, who was a Clashite from the start. Puta's Fever was the post-Clash album Joe Strummer would have loved to have made.

I remember playing Casa Babylon for a friend and he kept calling 'em "a Spanish version of Rancid", which sounded about right to me. They cover "I Fought the Law" on their live album, but it's the Clash's version of it of course

xp IMO that happened when "The Island Years" comp came out in 1996 or so

yeah that comp was a mindblower when I got it on Columbia House in '98 for 99 cents.

I think there has been a bit of a shift away from that smart underachiever white dude indie aesthetic of Pavement and Weezer, although I see a warped version of it in Mac DeMarco.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really? mac demarco of course but also kurt vile, parquet courts, etc, there is still an audience for this

xxp shifts in ILM opinion maybe, but Lou is still far more well-known to the general public than Cale, right?

i'm in trouble if our nation has ended its love affair with smart underachiever white dudes

we had a good run

shifts in ILM opinion maybe, but Lou is still far more well-known to the general public than Cale, right?

yeah come on no way is Cale better known/respected than Lou anywhere outside of ILX. Literally an opinion I have never seen anywhere else

lol

His arrangement of Cohen's "Hallelujah" is.

Was at a meeting of college aged "makers" and representative of Moogfest came in to ply their interest as technologists, mentioning Laurie Anderson as an attendee. Crickets. "the widow of Lou Reed". Award silence and move to the next topic.

no one knows who laurie anderson anymore, it's true

WKRP was such a great show

i WISH i had been as underachieving as pavement and weezer in the 90's. sheesh, i could barely get out of bed.

yeah come on no way is Cale better known/respected than Lou anywhere outside of ILX. Literally an opinion I have never seen anywhere else

Better known is highly unlikely. Respected? Who cares. But liked, why not?

meat and potatoes stax/atlantic type soul/r&b doesn't seem to be that cool nowadays. not as cool as 80s stuff or orchestrated 70s stuff.

― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, April 8, 2016 12:29 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

between Numero Group and Secret Stash et al reissues and retro throwbacks like Charles Bradley, Sharon Jones, Dap-Tone, St Paul & the Broken Bones, etc I'd say meat-and-potatoes soul & r&b is practically a cottage industry

john cage superfans know cale pretty well, but that's a different world

I used to mix those two up. Their names are too similar

Despite the success of daptone records i think traditional soul type music has faded in its relevance tbh. Sort of like jazz, it feels like an idiom from a different era... Its cool to listen to music like that but not to make it

I think it's still cool to make jazz tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Pph3p6zww

i never listen to john cale records. or john cage records.

Despite the success of daptone records i think traditional soul type music has faded in its relevance tbh. Sort of like jazz, it feels like an idiom from a different era... Its cool to listen to music like that but not to make it

― Treeship, Friday, April 8, 2016 10:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Its cool to listen to music like that but not to make it

idgi

I get annoyed when bands include their own 4'33" as an album track. Like putting your gpa on a resume

"Cool" in the ephemeral sense, like trendy. In my view it's cool to make any kind of music you want it you do it with passion or whatever

John Cage wrote that song "Cocaine" that Leonard Cohen covered in Shrek.

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i'm just saying 1) it feels like it's been pretty trendy for a long time & still is, at least for certain groups of people, like i dunno alabama shakes, winehouse, sharon jones, mayor hawthorne, st. paul & the broken bones, charles bradley, later har mar superstar, lake street drive, leon bridges honestly even adele kinda came from that w."rollin in the deep" being her breakout song, even pop singles like aloe blacc or "happy" by pharrell or "fuck you" by cee lo have pop production that's modern but the impulses feel retro to me

so i guess i just disagree w/your assessment