shifts in popular opinion you have noticed

am ambivalent about adele and was previously ambivalent about winehouse, but seeing the documentary Changed My Life (in the corniest way possible) in that i have actively avoided the tabloids ever since. movie made me feel somehow complicit in her downfall because i had read tabloid articles about her death spiral at the time.

now instead of wasting time on usweekly when i'm procrastinating at work, i just waste time here.

tabloids are fucking evil i agree

I got a chuckle recently from a newspaper columnist who wrote that she could think of few things that would induce less enthusiasm in the average man than a phonecall from an ex-girlfriend, "wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet / To go over everything".

I still think "Hello" is sung from the pov of a ghost.

yeah that's what it sounds like to me too

go-go version is a mild improvement but, yeah, the post-mortem convo is not appetizing

You really think that's how it works Shakey, that people commit slow suicide merely because they "buy into playing a role?"

idgi are you saying I shouldn't feel pity for her? man you guys are *really* protective of Winehouse, I had no idea... everyone's playing a role, all the time. Amy played the role of self-destructive artist, with the media/tabloid culture exacerbating and encouraging it. I feel sorry for anyone who goes the self-destructive artist route (for whatever reason - they can't help themselves, they're pressured into it, they're crazy/deluded, they think its romantic, they're a combination of narcissist/nihilist, or any combination thereof). It's a bummer, was all I meant. I can't listen to her music without hearing all that other kind of garbage intertwined with it (this is also true of my relationship w Nirvana, for the most part). But then I'm not really interested in the R&B revivalism aspect of it either really, it's just not something I enjoy listening to. I like that Ghostface song that samples her, that's about as far as I enjoy her stuff.

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the thing with that song that makes it unappealing is that it seems like she broke his heart, but she's the one that is calling him all the time when he clearly doesn't want to talk to her. she isn't respecting his space at all... she selfishly wants some sort of absolution i guess and won't be free until she gets it. just like a ghost.

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lol i'll be sure to tell all my addict homies that they're just playing a role, i'm sure that'll snap them out of it.

Which "Hello"? Lionel Richie?

xp nevermind that post, i shouldn't be talking about this

just volunteering my opinion of a deceased public figure, not recommending a mental healthcare strategy

addicts hide behind walls made of excuses (this is a metaphor). one of amy's excuses might have been that she was a tortured genius/artist. none of us were her therapist so we don't really know. the fact is, she had a disease and died from the disease.

she was young. that's all i need to know. there were plenty of times i could have died in my 20's and i wasn't even a drug addict.

...and to sum it up, these are shifts in popular opinion I have noticed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

these are the popular shifts shifts, these are the popular shifts shifts, all my opinions have shifts

shifts in popular opinion I have noticed = smart people debating whether or not a shit pop song is sung from the POV of a ghost

I got a chuckle recently from a newspaper columnist who wrote that she could think of few things that would induce less enthusiasm in the average man than a phonecall from an ex-girlfriend, "wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet / To go over everything".

What about a thousand such phone calls?

yeah this is like serious restraining order territory if she is a live person not a ghost

We'd lose a lot of great pop songs if the speakers in them always respected boundaries.

"Please, Please...Ok You Can Go I Don't Want To Be Coercive"

Elvis is why i wear sunburns. he is a gift that keeps on giving. i was listening to "Blue Hawaii" a month ago and he said "I would never steal a kiss/I would never grab like this" and I thought, that is kind of gangster.

i saw Sade on the 1985 Live Aid simulcast when i was like 7. she was really great and her band was sick.

sunburns lol sideburns

Elvis is amazing and has a seemingly inexhaustible catalog of gems (and yes, shit). A ilm poll could shed some light on this.

i remember being like 8 and being really disappointed when i put on an elvis record from my parent's old collection. for some reason i thought i was going to be in for some ROCK AND ROLL \m/ HAIL SATAN. i don't know why i thought this -- i guess it was because i didn't know anything about elvis except that he was called the king of rock. anyway, i have never been able to dissociate elvis with this sense of disappointment.

few things that would induce less enthusiasm in the average man than a phonecall from an ex-girlfriend, "wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet / To go over everything"

this would depend a lot on the ex tbh

I know there were backlashes against post rock, indie and dubstep in the alternative area but did the sort of Warp style electronica ever get a backlash?

I still wanna talk about the Clash some more and whether or not they are relevant. Certainly something like this bears some kind of resemblance to various trends in contemporary music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N4LU7xFw08

can we talk about green day ruining punk rock for an entire decade

is that their prince cover? people used to love prince.

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every morning i'm like "it's excellent that green day aren't a huge thing anymore"

green day are punk as fuck. broadway is the ultimate fuck you.

http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2014/02/26/800x_b1_cCM_z/27IDIOT-jpg.jpg

warp-style? you mean "intelligent" dance music? if anything, the edm craze and its success was an indictment of more subtle dance music, and it was kind of a fuck-you that it was more headbanging than dance floor friendly. ppl did want beats, they just still loved them 4/4 (or at least loud and slamming)

9s Green day is fine, it's those blink 182 sledgeheads that need an ass whooping

9s = 90s

Ha! Opinions 4 U!

every morning i'm like "it's excellent that green day aren't a huge thing anymore"

they are still a huge thing

sorry to ruin your morning

sort of cool that green day is still the same three guys ... they're like the u2 of 90s punk. a band of brothers making terrible music together forever.

a band of brothers making terrible music together forever.

reading this as a boot stamping/human face variation

ok, they're a huge thing, for nine year olds. but i don't have to hear about it anymore because we have the internet. (unless they buy youtube ad space in the near future for "KILL AMORIKKA VOLUME 3' the new album from the green day boys)

my ten year old did go to bed at night listening to a green day album for months. i didn't hate it. then he switched to fountains of wayne.

i specifically remember green day buying a huge amount of ad space in their prime. like they were really pushing it. pushing every one of my buttons. but i never have to see their dumb faces so exposed again.... that's what i mean.

they're still huge, but music tv doesn't exist anymore.

is that their prince cover? people used to love prince.

lol no

actually lots of Sandinista! seems p modern to my ears, that is a really strange album

You know, w/r/t REM, I sometimes wonder if, if their legacy was more songs like this, they might be a more durable influence. They definitely seem like a band done in by what made them popular. I sometimes like to think about a world where all they ever put out was their non-album stuff, Chronic Town, and Fables of the Reconstruction. As with Hall & Oates, it seems like your legacy is sometimes (not always) defined by what sold the best.

― dlp9001, Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:47 PM (2 hours ago)

Stylistically, I think they're too esoteric, complex, and subtle to be influential at this point. By subtle, I mean that everyone can identify that there's some kind of post-punk element to their early music, some kind of '60s element, but that doesn't really encapsulate it. Been a huge fan since Reckoning, but I never realized until recently how much power pop there is in their early music, too. I think it's an esoteric mix.

This is my favorite REM song. I even bought the cassette single. If they had sounded like this all the time I'd probably still be listening to them today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd5M17e7Wek

i swear to god i'm not trolling when i say that clash song up above doesn't sound modern to me and also it sounds kinda...terrible. sorry, clash fans! they just sound clunky to me a lot of the time.

if the clash and r.e.m. sounded like this song i would be buying their albums. bruno mars could totally sing over this and make it a number one smash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR2IjhDs2FM

it only came out two years after sandinista too.

haircut 100 is the shit