shifts in popular opinion you have noticed

today I ate a crêpe with some coffee

Amy Winehouse made one very good album, almost entirely produced by Mark Ronson, and one really nowhere near as good album, produced by a bunch of other people.

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:43 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

??? I think Frank is just as good if not better as Back to Black and there were some contributing producers but the project was def directed an helmed by Salaam Remi.

She also wrote her songs, you see her writing on acoustic in the movie. So trying to frame it as all Ronson is straight up bullshit.

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flavor of the decade muse says: "nope, best to hang it up while you're WAY WAY WAY ahead". Sorry folks, don't kill the messenger

I think Frank is just as good if not better as Back to Black

Ha ha, OK then.

She also wrote her songs, you see her writing on acoustic in the movie

Would you want to listen to a bunch of acoustic guitar Amy Winehouse songs? Cause I fucking wouldn't.

Amy winehouse was great bc the retro trappings were just trappings, she sang in a thorough modern way w un-affected contemporary slang and a sense of real personality. Larger than life, a real star IMO

super falling star

I heard get lucky in a shop the other day

― Kevin Ageusia Smith (wins), Thursday, April 7, 2016 2:45 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i heard "doin it right" in starbucks. i explained to my mom who panda bear was and how in 2004 i would never have expected panda bear to be featured on a hit song, much less one played at starbucks. she cared about this less than i have ever seen anyone care about anything.

oh ffs, a bunch of people write their music on one instrument while working out melodies/harmonies/lyrics and then work with producers and others to do the instrumentation. the fact a song starts with vocals + guitar means nothing xxp

there's zero wrong with using producers or contributors or whatever, i just brought up the fact that you see her writing songs because there seemed to be the suggestion that she was some sort of puppet of ronson's

yeah, I was responding to the "would you listen to acoustic guitar Winehouse songs" comment

it seemed to be of the "she may have written songs on guitar, but that doesn't count but who wants to listen to that"

it's juvenile anyway. if she never wrote anything she was still a compelling singer who knew how to pick the right collaborators to highlight her gifts

agreed and agreed

I was surprised a couple of years back to see people dressing as Amy for Halloween. Hadn't realized she'd become literally iconic.

I notice the shift in popular opinion about Amy Winehouse has yet to occur

i heard "doin it right" in starbucks. i explained to my mom who panda bear was and how in 2004 i would never have expected panda bear to be featured on a hit song, much less one played at starbucks. she cared about this less than i have ever seen anyone care about anything.

lol think I did the same thing to a friend of mine at a bar. both with this and the Moroder song, nobody I know has ever heard "I Feel Love" apparently

just have to come to grips that most of the populace might have a few favorite musicians and stream the occasional album, but a lot of music just seems like tunes that you find interesting, just not interesting to know who the performer is. there are probably a half dozen songs that keep getting used in television and commercials where I know a couple verses from all the repetition (especially songs used as tv theme songs, holy shit) but that's about it

that's not even a shift, necessarily, I think that's pretty much been the way for most people for as long as we've had recorded music.

Sand off the edges

mh otm, that phenom is not new, in fact if anything the Internet might make it less prevalent.

i used to think that people who didn't have strong views on books or music or movies were, like, nihilists or something -- horrible monsters for whom nothing mattered. with time i realized they just have different priorities.

also since we were talking about daft punk and r.e.m., this song -- simple as it is -- gives me chills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI5noh4OyXc

if i ever die, i want my ashes shot up in a rocket while this song plays

And I thought mausoleums were expensive...

treeship will never die

re: Winehouse, et al

If you're a white girl who sounds even the slightest bit like you're doing a cheeky Billie Holiday impression, I will hate you. Everything you do, that is. But probably you too, personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2IkZZmd6RA

You know, w/r/t REM, I sometimes wonder if, if their legacy was more songs like this, they might be a more durable influence. They definitely seem like a band done in by what made them popular. I sometimes like to think about a world where all they ever put out was their non-album stuff, Chronic Town, and Fables of the Reconstruction. As with Hall & Oates, it seems like your legacy is sometimes (not always) defined by what sold the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUXqzla0gw8

If you're a white girl who sounds even the slightest bit like you're doing a cheeky Billie Holiday impression, I will hate you. Everything you do, that is. But probably you too, personally.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:45 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

90% agree with this but Jolie Holland

She also wrote her songs, you see her writing on acoustic in the movie

Would you want to listen to a bunch of acoustic guitar Amy Winehouse songs? Cause I fucking wouldn't.

this is some great goalpost shifting right here

i really like the last two adele albums. it's good music.

"hello" > "total eclipse of the heart"

the only thing Winehouse and her music evokes from me is pity

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in a "I am sorry you bought into playing this role" kind of way

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:24 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You really think that's how it works Shakey, that people commit slow suicide merely because they "buy into playing a role?" I think that's a pretty dim view of humanity, and by dim I mean on your part, not humanity's.

once, when i was covering another teacher's room, a kid kept interrupting the class by saying "hello" the way adele does in the beginning of the song (low with a slight emphasis on the last syllable). it was fucking annoying and it ruined the song for me.

that song kicks so much ass, imo.

Adele is fine but I can't help but feel like the bar is low for her, like, being a "real singer" is an actual thing now.

i like "someone like you" more bc i like the idea of a breakup song where there aren't too many hard feelings

it just seemed like a mature sentiment.

Hello sounds like a million other songs to me.

i like "someone like you" more bc i like the idea of a breakup song where there aren't too many hard feelings

― Treeship, Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I feel like I can't take someone at their word if they say they wish nothing but the best for someone through the medium of a mournful bellowed chorus

yeah it would be better if someone like the dude from sublime was singing

i didn't even really care about adele that much before i started hearing "hello" literally everywhere. but for some reason it continues to hit me like a ton of bricks every time. such a huge chorus.

am ambivalent about adele and was previously ambivalent about winehouse, but seeing the documentary Changed My Life (in the corniest way possible) in that i have actively avoided the tabloids ever since. movie made me feel somehow complicit in her downfall because i had read tabloid articles about her death spiral at the time.

now instead of wasting time on usweekly when i'm procrastinating at work, i just waste time here.

tabloids are fucking evil i agree

I got a chuckle recently from a newspaper columnist who wrote that she could think of few things that would induce less enthusiasm in the average man than a phonecall from an ex-girlfriend, "wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet / To go over everything".

I still think "Hello" is sung from the pov of a ghost.

yeah that's what it sounds like to me too

go-go version is a mild improvement but, yeah, the post-mortem convo is not appetizing

You really think that's how it works Shakey, that people commit slow suicide merely because they "buy into playing a role?"

idgi are you saying I shouldn't feel pity for her? man you guys are *really* protective of Winehouse, I had no idea... everyone's playing a role, all the time. Amy played the role of self-destructive artist, with the media/tabloid culture exacerbating and encouraging it. I feel sorry for anyone who goes the self-destructive artist route (for whatever reason - they can't help themselves, they're pressured into it, they're crazy/deluded, they think its romantic, they're a combination of narcissist/nihilist, or any combination thereof). It's a bummer, was all I meant. I can't listen to her music without hearing all that other kind of garbage intertwined with it (this is also true of my relationship w Nirvana, for the most part). But then I'm not really interested in the R&B revivalism aspect of it either really, it's just not something I enjoy listening to. I like that Ghostface song that samples her, that's about as far as I enjoy her stuff.

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the thing with that song that makes it unappealing is that it seems like she broke his heart, but she's the one that is calling him all the time when he clearly doesn't want to talk to her. she isn't respecting his space at all... she selfishly wants some sort of absolution i guess and won't be free until she gets it. just like a ghost.

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lol i'll be sure to tell all my addict homies that they're just playing a role, i'm sure that'll snap them out of it.

Which "Hello"? Lionel Richie?