shifts in popular opinion you have noticed

u should post on the queens thread brad, it's so desolate

fwiw sometimes refer to my part of Queens as "Gateway to Long Island"

http://www.clickhole.com/article/lucky-break-couples-house-tripled-value-after-bill-4172

Motorhead were considered kind of scuzzy and icky back in the day. Then about 10 years ago people realized they loved them.

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Teh ace of spades being in tony hawk 2

re ringo, i wonder if more generally the value of chops has diminished in record nerd circles in the last 10-15 years (though i imagine it's generally been up and down, less and more niche)

you still get a load of eww guitar solos. esp towards metal but even any older alt rock band (except stone roses but even then you get less how amazing is squires guitar/manis bass/reni's drums than you did way back)

I do get the impression rock is at its lowest critical point in the us the past few years. modern pseudo-indie doesnt even have a lot of guitar at this point does it? the radio songs i here about from brad and maura have given me that impression at least.

Landfill indie killed rock off in the UK i think did you guys see that johnny borrell thing?

He came across quite well and surprisingly self-aware
http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/landfill-indie-johnny-borrell-razorlight-the-strokes-kooks-definitive-history

Tupac alive vs Tupac dead

i don't think i've ever listened to a tupac album. more likely to play a billy joel album. i liked billy joel in the 70's! he introduced me to phil woods.

so many saxophones in the 70's. and the 80's! r.i.p. saxophone.

been a lotta sax in pop lately. circle of life!

really? guess i haven't kept up on the sax pop front.

Maybe the steepest decline I've noticed is Eric Clapton. He was G-d as late as the 90s unplugged business, while now any interest in him is baffling at best. Probably related to the decline of guitars and "rock" generally mentioned upthread.

H&O wrote good songs and sung them well. What's there to dislike?

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

as I mentioned on FB, if you had been forced to listen to those hits MULTIPLE TIMES EVERY DAY FOR YEARS on the high school cafeteria jukebox, I'm guessing your take would be different. it's formative-years overexposure that's my issue, not that they are "bad" per se. I recognize that this is totally subjective.

also, I get earworms easily and they can last for a week, getting one of those stuck in my head is like being in hell for days

see also: Toto

Oh yeah, I never thought Toto would not only be cool, but basically the future of 80s nostalgia

Toto isn't cool though, everyone hates that song

y'all had high school cafeteria jukeboxes? being of the walkman generation i was not aware of this phenomenon.

it was torture, "Elvira" was really big back then too

(The Oak Ridge Boys, for you young'uns)

Ha, well, see, if I love a song I don't mind listening to it often.

it's formative-years overexposure that's my issue, not that they are "bad" per se.

OTM – 30+ years of distance from high school has been a great help to me. But nothing will ever make me not want to blow up a radio playing Bob Seger, Supertramp or Styx.

toto doesn't seem particularly cool to me except in like really specific contexts maybe?

i mean, i really hope silk degrees is considered super cool right now and i'm just unaware of it

Toto isn't cool though, everyone hates that song

o_O

Teh ace of spades being in tony hawk 2

for real, I think half the people in my school first became aware of the Ramones because "Blitzkrieg Bop" was in Tony Hawk 3.

now I have "Maneater" stuck in my head

THANKS ALFRED ;)

I remember hearing about Motorhead in junior high, kids writing "eat the rich" on their notebooks. I think if you were into punk or metal, Motorhead didn't need any kind of critical resuscitation

for real, I think half the people in my school first became aware of the Ramones because "Blitzkrieg Bop" was in Tony Hawk 3.

― frogbs, Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Back in my day we learned about it from beer commercials

i might've learned about em from my so-called life

I learned about them from my babysitter, who liked to play "Beat on the Brat" semi-ironically.

"i wanna be sedated" was in regular rotation on alt rock radio, at least on WHFS in dc, in the early/mid 90s

MSCL also

either my so-called life or hfs, then.

well Ringo did get subbed out on their first single, so G-Mart might be knitting some patch-up work there

― Dominique, Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the new book covers all this in a lot of depth. one, sounds like ringo wasn't having a good day but also it was extremely commonplace, to the point where the beatles were even getting to play on their record was almost odd, so i don't think it reflects that poorly on ringo, it was just the BBC way it sounds like

(but it does sound like martin felt bad about it in retrospect and really did admire ringo's playing and ringo always did hold it against him)

the weird part of the book was how the "ringo got lucky" thing was completely on its head, he was leagues above them and they really pursued him hardcore

ppl in middle school loved to wear ramones t-shirts

this is like 2000-2001ish

Maybe the steepest decline I've noticed is Eric Clapton. He was G-d as late as the 90s unplugged business, while now any interest in him is baffling at best.

I feel like 90% of the Clapton references I've heard in the past couple of years are about his racism and not his guitar playing.

he's so boring. and tedious. i'm glad nobody likes him anymore except for old whitehairs.

i heard my kid start to play tears in heaven on the guitar at home once and i exploded. scared him a little. absolutely no solo clapton in the house ever. i made him tell his guitar teacher not to teach him that filth.

hahaha

lol scott

you realize that's going to make him want to learn it extra bad

Even back in the metal 80s most people were like "What's the big deal with Clapton?"

But nothing will ever make me not want to blow up a radio playing Bob Seger, Supertramp or Styx.

I've been waiting 30 years for the critical reappraisal of Styx and I believe I'll see it before I die

lol i agree

was with my 12-year-old niece last weekend. pointed to the house on my mom's block where the hassles used to practice. said "billy joel used to play in that garage." "who?" "this famous pop star used to play in that garage right there!" "huh."

later on in barnes & noble: "that guy singing the song they're playing is the guy who used to play in that garage!!!" "oh...uh...that's cool."

Given the kind of stuff that's been revalued in recent years I still wonder why those first few Rundgren albums aren't hipper

billy joel is like a curse, you shouldn't burden your niece with that cruel baby boomer mojo

she should stay ignorant of billy joel, jgnorant and free