shifts in popular opinion you have noticed

i've always loved sarah smile so much. such a glorious creation.

sorry sara smile...

I always thought ABBA were considered a bit of a cheesy musicals and student-nights band until more recently, when people started digging out The Visitors again...

― draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:06 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

playing this now! i have always liked my ABBA gold collection or whatever it's called, but i didn't know they had a moody latter day cult favorite.

"Laptop DJs aren't real DJs" isn't something I hear anymore, but was the de rigueur sentiment a decade ago.

first time i heard H&O outside of the radio (loved rich girl on the radio) was when my father brought home Livetime. which is a pretty good live album. i don't know why he bought it being the jazzhead he was. but he did like steely dan and stuff like that.

yeah the Visitors is classic, probably their best record, though Super Trouper is about as moody, maybe a bit more solemn sounding

Feel like in the 90s both Elton John and Stevie Wonder were hideous, mawkish figures of fun that your grandparents might like. Fast forward to the days of X Factor and you'd think they were all people listened to.

― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:47 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think stevie wonder ever lost his cache among the kinds of people with wall to ceiling LP shelves. he is to big of a talent to dismiss like that.

elton john is a different story. he is amazing of course but in a sort of campy, sing-tiny-dancer-at-the-top-of-your-lungs-when-the-bar's-closing kind of way.

Re: Beatles, hasn't Ringo opinion shifted from "luckiest man in pop history" to "underrated drumming great with perfect time and tasteful fills"?

― dinnerboat, Wednesday, April 6, 2016 12:26 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Probably accurate, although I always thought the latter (tbh didn't even know he was "underrated" until I started spending time around muso types who dissed him). FWIW, I just heard an old interview with George Martin where he talked about how instantly impressed he was with Ringo's drumming when he joined the band, and how in-demand Ringo was at the time, so I think it's only bitter chops monsters who ever propagated that idea.

when i was little i associated elton john with billy joel. it's my impression now that millennials have no time for the latter. i kind of have time for billy joel, but i think truly liking him means embracing the fact that the personality that comes across in his songs is an embittered, passive aggressive pos

xp paul mccartney has led the reappraisal of ringo's drumming skills. he makes a point of mentioning it all the time in interviews and stuff. "always on time" "the secret of our success" (these aren't exact quotes but still)

xp

well Ringo did get subbed out on their first single, so G-Mart might be knitting some patch-up work there

Billy Joel is someone who has NOT escaped his audience for me. In addition to disliking the things you say, I also associate him with certain moderately conservative, obnoxious Long Island types.

George Martin where he talked about how instantly impressed he was with Ringo's drumming when he joined the band, and how in-demand Ringo was at the time, so I think it's only bitter chops monsters who ever propagated that idea

so impressed that he had him sit out their first recording session with Ringo

lol xpost

haha

i don't think stevie wonder ever lost his cache among the kinds of people with wall to ceiling LP shelves. he is to big of a talent to dismiss like that.

impression slightly different in England

if you want to get on the hepcat ground floor you gotta spend a dollar and get the 1978 album by Pete C. Johnson that i'm listening to right now. so cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpFMglrO7Qs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYXMTBhDY90

i think young ppl do like billy joel, though. didn't he headline coachella last year? and i def heard jack antonoff or somebody like that singing his praises recently.

"snowblind" is my new anthem. even nils lofgren sounds great.

Worst musician after Zappa. Who, thankfully, most people have forgotten existed, I feel like he's more famous for his terrific 80s testimonials before congress now than he was for his terrible "dick joke in 15/8!" music.

― got a long list of ILXors (fgti), Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:37 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. I don't think I've ever encountered a single musician under 50 (and not many over 50) who extolled Zappa's work. The handful of people I know who liked him in the '80s or '90s now either see him as an unfortunate but necessary stepping stone to much better shit, an embarrassment, or both.

i think young ppl do like billy joel, though. didn't he headline coachella last year? and i def heard jack antonoff or somebody like that singing his praises recently.

― dc, Wednesday, April 6, 2016 2:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whoa. i was not aware of this stuff.

man, living Queens has revealed a level of Billy Joel admiration I never knew existed

in bushwick i never hear billy joel. i hear elton john a lot.

my parents are from long island and i think billy joel and bruce springsteen were the two artists they mainly listened to in the 70s and 80s

Motorhead were considered kind of scuzzy and icky back in the day. Then about 10 years ago people realized they loved them.

my in-laws are from southern CT and fuck they LOVE billy joel, like fucking billy joel sing-alongs at the piano at family gatherings, it is brutal, for me he was always just this anonymous voice behind radio hits, i never even knew that a bunch of his famous songs were by the same person

I also associate him with certain moderately conservative, obnoxious Long Island types.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Wednesday, April 6, 2016 2:00 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea just sub CT for long island here

in laws standing around a synth playing "You're Only Human."

haha

Got to love that Lennon zing though, "Best drummer in the world? He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles!"

are people going to reappraise joel's early work with attila? has anyone ever heard this album?

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0003/338/MI0003338328.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

yeah billy joel is not remotely cool hey? I can't listen to tell her about it or for the longest time while my wife is at home or she would probably murder me

when i was little i associated elton john with billy joel. it's my impression now that millennials have no time for the latter. i kind of have time for billy joel, but i think truly liking him means embracing the fact that the personality that comes across in his songs is an embittered, passive aggressive pos

Two or three years ago I worked with a bunch of people in their 20s who fucking loved Billy Joel. It was horrifying. Billy Joel is the worst.

he is a bad person, and a bad person in the way a million conservative long islanders are, as man alive said. but there is a kind of universality in that. he is the ugly voice of the people, an apolitical pop demagogue lecturing listeners about how only fools are satisfied and how beautiful women are shallow bitches unable appreciate the fact that he loves them "just the way they are"

man, living Queens has revealed a level of Billy Joel admiration I never knew existed

― Dominique, Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yup

i remember the reverend posting something about being at a high school event in the gym and everyone is singing "hey jude" and knows all the words but this the first time rev has heard the song, i had the same experience w/ "piano man" at a high school party, it was awful and alienating

I picture a lot of Billy Joel fans as having thought "finally, an artist for the rest of us!"

one thing to say to his credit: he really does capture the experience/milieu he is writing about, and does it in an accessible pop format that usually resists that sort of idiosyncrasy. i think captain jack is a brilliant masterpiece of self-loathing.

man, living Queens has revealed a level of Billy Joel admiration I never knew existed

billy joel karaoke is near-inevitable at my local bar's karaoke night

i have a poll idea

u should post on the queens thread brad, it's so desolate

fwiw sometimes refer to my part of Queens as "Gateway to Long Island"

http://www.clickhole.com/article/lucky-break-couples-house-tripled-value-after-bill-4172

Motorhead were considered kind of scuzzy and icky back in the day. Then about 10 years ago people realized they loved them.

― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 18:08 (32 minutes ago) Permalink

Teh ace of spades being in tony hawk 2

re ringo, i wonder if more generally the value of chops has diminished in record nerd circles in the last 10-15 years (though i imagine it's generally been up and down, less and more niche)

you still get a load of eww guitar solos. esp towards metal but even any older alt rock band (except stone roses but even then you get less how amazing is squires guitar/manis bass/reni's drums than you did way back)

I do get the impression rock is at its lowest critical point in the us the past few years. modern pseudo-indie doesnt even have a lot of guitar at this point does it? the radio songs i here about from brad and maura have given me that impression at least.

Landfill indie killed rock off in the UK i think did you guys see that johnny borrell thing?

He came across quite well and surprisingly self-aware
http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/landfill-indie-johnny-borrell-razorlight-the-strokes-kooks-definitive-history

Tupac alive vs Tupac dead

i don't think i've ever listened to a tupac album. more likely to play a billy joel album. i liked billy joel in the 70's! he introduced me to phil woods.