shifts in popular opinion you have noticed

OTM!

re: the origins of goth

Pete Scathe on the history of goth:
http://www.historyofgoth.com/

Goth - Name
http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/name.htm

Similar to goth, are there young rockabilly guys and girls, or are they all older than me?

I love this thread because I teach university students and sometimes music comes up and it fascinates me in terms of what makes it into their media bubble and what doesn't. One student was telling about how much she loves Rush because her dad got her into them, another was way into NWA and Eazy-E (before the movie came out) because of her mom. And the most boggling one to me was a totally stereotypical blond sorority girl type listening to music in the computer lab and it was like Drake, random EDM I don't care about, some Mumford and Sons sounding shit, then "Love Will Tear Us Apart".

LWTUA has been used a ton in films/tv

Not a popular shift but a personal one: I used to think the Beatles were timeless but I've been hearing them lately and everytime the songs sound more and more shoddy and simplistic. Verse chorus verse chorus pretty arrangement chorus chorus chorus chorus.

Not every song in their catalogue, but some of it is starting to lose its magic to me.

are there young rockabilly guys and girls, or are they all older than me

I think this was a thing for people who were older than me (mid-30s).

is popular opinion shifting away from Led Zeppelin? I feel like about the time grunge happened, Zep's profile was higher than ever, and then over the years, they kind of faded into the background again.

I don't think they ever really faded into the background?

some things

-i've noticed B-52s and OMD records selling much better than they used to
-definitely more interest in obscure 80s R&B than their used to be -- or as the kids call it, "modern soul."
-Leo Kottke is cool now
-Windham Hill appreciation (skotrock def ahead of the curve on this one.)
-younger people being more into genesis & Yes. somehow ELP still terminally unhip.

I think people hating on tom waits is a "serious record collector guy" thing. still sell lots of tom waits to 21 year olds.

Another obvious one is the increased urban appeal of country music.

In Spain and partly in Mexico there are several young mid 20s rockabilly-esque people but it seems it's more of a fashion thing and they're not that actually interested in the music. Talked to a group in Spain who pretty much the only "old" rockabilly music they knew was by Elvis and Cash. They were more into modern bands which I know nothing about and sound closer to punk than rockabilly to me. They did love the cramps.

i don't know a lot of younger people who are into sixties garage and mod stuff. seems like instead of liking the seeds and the sonics and whatever, kids now go straight to private press psych monsters.

everyone should love the cramps

xp

can't sell a shadows of knight LP to anyone these days!

xp
the cramps suck

even worse than the clash.

something i never would have expected is the number of ppl under 30 i know who collect 78s, be it old-time music or 20s pop.

Grunge and Nu Metal almost completely faded for younger generations in my city. Was talking to some younger clients in one of my bars and they only knew Nirvana and Korn by name but couldn't remember any song by them. I thought they were trolling at first.

that stuff got so overexposed so fast, the last real major label profit orgyfest before the internet/fall

i think there's been a definite reappraisal in some circles of dylan's 80s and nineties material.

i just asked rufus what he is digging lately and he said he really likes listening to You're Living All Over Me. and he wants a wah wah pedal. the stage he was playing on at the talent show was the same one that Deep Wound used to play on back in the day when they had hardcore shows at the grange hall. also, Lou was at the talent show. Western Mass 4lyfe.

(he also loved the Weeknd album a ton when it came out. i think this is what you see with the really young kids out there and that was mentioned above. they listen to the beatles but also mod radio/interweb sounds.)

I'm 25 and Every Picture Tells A Story is probably my favorite album ever but yeah, nobody I know agrees with me or even gives it a chance. They just think I'm being weird for the sake of it.

always felt like the Beach Boys went through a huge shift in the late 90s. they seemed to be a joke and somewhat lame, uncool band when i was growing up. then suddenly Pet Sounds and Smile were the best things ever and secretly they were way cooler than the Beatles.

maybe i am just imagining all of that and music critics were always hip to the Beach Boys and it just took me that long to find out.

Beach Boys definitely went through a period of uncoolness until millennial indie nerds discovered Pet Sounds. The Smile release certainly helped.

The Monkees i think are maybe more respected now than ever? people aren't as hung up on the manufactured aspect anymore due to popism and honestly how can you be when it is songs by Carol King and Neil Diamond.

Also, The Monkees weren't about music. They were about rebellion, about political and social upheaval!

"maybe i am just imagining all of that and music critics were always hip to the Beach Boys and it just took me that long to find out."

there was actually a LOT written about brian wilson in the 60's. and his whole genius thing. and even more in the 70's. and tons of books/fan tributes in the 80's. and the 90's was peak indie rock beach boys love. calmed down a bit by the 2000s but it'll never go away entirely. so, critically, they/he have been taken really seriously for decades. as far as young bands go, i guess it will ebb and flow like the surf.

Upon reflection--and scott's post--I was definitely way off with my "millennial indie nerds" thing re: the Beach Boys. It definitely dates back to at least the 90s. There were obvious straight-up imitators like the High Llamas, but on a somewhat more prominent scale, weren't the Elephant 6 bands always being likened to Wilson?

The first time I ever really figured out that there was a thriving cult around Wilson (the perils of being an 80s kid include the Beach Boys always being "Kokomo" and "oldies" radio, to me) was when I read Lewis Shiner's Glimpses around '97 or so.

I think the Beach Boys (or Brian Wilson anyways) were a phenomenon that "heads" kind of always knew was cool. I remember my dad talking about the Smile era before I was even old enough to know or care about what it was. Heck, there was a reason John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd wanted to save Wilson on SNL in the late 70s.

In reality, the actual lowest ebb for Beach Boys popularity would have been the late 60s, when they were still very much an active, progressive concern. Scott is otm, people were always writing that Brian Wilson was a genius, but circa 1968, their kind of music just wasn't what cool folks were looking for.

ABBA definitely gained a critical reappraisal when Gold was released; they're even in the Spin Alternative Record Guide from 1995.

i saw the Beach Boys at a fairground or something in the late 80s, was not entirely impressed. then i saw them a few years later on Full House. even less impressed.

yeah E6 was a huge part of that revival.

it was everywhere in the 90's though. japan, canada, europe, u.k. beach boys fever.

The turning point for ABBA was Muriel's Wedding (1994).

I thought it was Ace of Base.

(not in that Ace of Base were critical faves, but in that the critical response to them was largely "hey, ABBA did this better!")

Muriel's Wedding and Priscilla Queen of the Desert -- Aussies definitely ushered in the Abba reappraisal -- culminating in Mamma Mia, I guess, but I feel like Abba is pretty canonical at this point.

I think '90s hip-hop is going to be the next victim of this wheel. When I saw Jay-Z at Bonnaroo in 2010, all the kids knew the songs. That probably wouldn't be true now, and definitely not in a few years. Unless he gets a biopic.

i think that might be true of rap in general though. most extreme rap fandom begins in teens/20's and focuses on the now almost exclusively with the exception of the super-extreme who are history buffs.

I feel like Elvis Costello has been declining in popularity amongst the youngins, or at least that's the vibe I've gotten from the declining rating trends for his album on RYM.

Really hoping this is because the kids finally realized Joe Jackson was better, but probably that's not it.....

discussed this a little wrt to how they now compared to the smiths, but millenials who are generally into indie pop don't care about REM. at all. they don't have the status lots of other classic bands/acts from the 80s/early 90s are enjoying at the moment.
around the turn of the century they were still described to me as the first 'alternative band' and despite their huge status were still revered, something didn't happen. you would think that the break-up would have created a sense of nostalgia.

I remember when I was a kid in the early 90s REM had two huge hits with Losing My Religion and Shiny Happy People. To me as a little kid they seemed like a boring adult band that was for grownups only. Talking Heads, B-52s, and Dee-Lite were way more interesting to me.

You millennials show some respect to REM goddamnit! What's the matter with you kids? I blame the synths.

What rem songs should i listen to? I only know the radio staples and they dont do it for me

Murmur 4ever - anything from it will do

I get the feeling that REM's music is too earnest for the times we're living in now, maybe excepting Chronic Town and Murmur

Sonic Youth is an interesting one, I thought their influence would live on like VU's, but that doesn't seem to be the case

fables of the reconstruction is the one rem album likely to appeal to hipsters of the future - dark, murky difficult even by early rem standards. plus the joe boyd connection

Stockhausen definitely saw a rise in popularity in the last ten years or so of his life. I saw a concert of Hymnen he gave at the Royal Festival Hall sometime in the late 80s where the place was no more than 20% full. By the time of his last London concert in 2005 he was selling out concert halls easily.

Even as a 90s kid REM felt like a band you respect, but you don't really love.

I think he would have sold out concerts in London in the (late) 60s and the 70s, don't know what was going on in the late 80s. Critically he's been in decline since the 70s, the whole Licht thing didn't help there. (xp)

My brother's dog name is dylan. I named mine Bowie (is it not an awesome name for a dog!? Bow-ie... erm) and he thought naming it after a classic rock artist sounded cool. Asked him what he thought of Dylan's music and couldn't really tell me any song by him. He said he liked that one that guns n roses play.

It happens a lot with classic rock artists and it shouldn't bother me but it does. Everybody knows Dylan, Hendrix, Elvis, Bowie to name a few but when I want to actually talk about their music it seems most people only know them as icons but don't really know much about them and only recall one or two songs. They're supposed to be remembered by their music not their fashion style.