shifts in popular opinion you have noticed

lol marcos

Another conversation with my wife: trying to explain to her that Asia was actually a really huge band for a few years. ("Heat of the Moment" came on while we were at a restaurant.) Not that I'm expecting an Asia revival.

i thought i saw patti smith in a bar recently and then i thought it was actually charlotte gainsbourg, who looks older in person. turned out it was an unfamous person.

"bowie."

for real major big time! younguns loooooove bowie! 70's bowie anyway. and his stuff could be found cheap forever until like 5 years ago. and was going up up in price on vinyl even before he died.

interesting. i bought like all his 70s records for 2-5 dollars a piece a few years ago. is that impossible to do now? i haven't been looking for bowie albums recently

I feel like Elvis Costello has been declining in popularity amongst the youngins, or at least that's the vibe I've gotten from the declining rating trends for his album on RYM.

Asia was actually a really huge band for a few years

The end of the corporate rock era. That record and Hi Infidelity by REO Speedwagon were both huge at the same time.

Rush have definitely become cooler.

i think elvis costello has been a nonentity with the young folk for....uh, decades.

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I feel like Elvis Costello has been declining in popularity amongst the youngins, or at least that's the vibe I've gotten from the declining rating trends for his album on RYM.

I always thought of Elvis Costello as a big thing for people 10 years older than myself tbh.

lol 2xp

Definitely true re Rush.

Rush have definitely become cooler and even more specifically 80's Rush has become a thing. which it wasn't so much even in the 80's after moving pictures.

(meaning, i can sell Power Windows for more than two dollars now...)

the big one this decade has been the relegation of almost all guitar-based records to old fogey music. The kids love their synths.

And Lady Gaga seemed to usher in an era of thinkpiece pop, where every song and video is close read and deconstructed. It's not my thing but I'm glad the kids are doing it.

Has anyone born in the last 25-30 years ever identified as "goth"?

LOL...when did the term Goth originate? It wasn't prevalent in my high school in the late 80s, even though there were plenty of people that would be categorized as Goth.

It became a thing in the 90s, right?

there's definitely a lot of count chocula music being made now, but i'm not sure if it's young people who are listening to it.

(xp) Early 80s

http://www.electronicbeats.net/venus-x-on-the-origins-and-future-of-ghe20g0th1k/

I think the guitar thing can be misleading, because anywhere you look, you'll find young bands with guitars, in pretty much every genre. The main place you don't see it much is in the top 40.

and haha yeah I see plenty of gothy kids in my tumblr feed

Has anyone born in the last 25-30 years ever identified as "goth"?

― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:25 PM (5 minutes ago)

Yes, fucking loads! Goth doesn't go out of style (though it frequently gets modified with subgenre markers).

I still hate Journey, especially *that* song.

"Don't Stop Believin'" is one of the only cases where I feel like I could consciously observe my opinion shifting in relation to the world's relationship with it, as much as I'd like to think of myself as above these things. I saw it as cheese; then began to be fascinated by its OTT hookiness; then began to love it and defend it in defiance of critical wisdom, fashion, and good taste; then felt vindicated when it became the best-loved song in America; then started growing sick of it when it became just another piece of ubiquitous pop wallpaper.

OK wow, I've seen plenty of kids incorporate black makeup into other things (e.g. what they were calling emo 10 years ago) or listen to the Cure alongside a million other things but hadn't heard of any young people identifying as goth, going to goth clubs, etc. anymore.

still waiting for the day when I stop seeing teenagers in Nirvana t-shirts

the big one this decade has been the relegation of almost all guitar-based records to old fogey music. The kids love their synths.

Which is a reversal from the '90s reversal of the '80s. In the late '90s I was volunteering for Big Brothers, and the kid I was paired with really loved Marilyn Manson's version of "Sweet Dreams." I told him that the original version was all synthesizers, and he said, "What's that?" At the time, keyboard-dominated music seemed very distant.

I think the guitar thing can be misleading, because anywhere you look, you'll find young bands with guitars, in pretty much every genre. The main place you don't see it much is in the top 40.

Yeah, I mean, my perspective is obv slanted, but I come across plenty of young people into guitars. What I do find is that they have less of a bias against synth/electronic music than they might have 10-15 years ago.

Like, someone's buying all those Mumford & Sons/Lumineers/Vance Joy albums.

young'uns don't care about REM now because they are totally boring + irrelevant to modern musical landscape

I'm not sure how representative kids or 20-somethings that buy vinyl records are to the whole public. Like, when Scott revived the REM thread a couple of months ago, I was looking at it and it's not like New Order '80s has more Spotify plays than REM '80s. If they don't have cache with the modern musical landscape it's because they've become esoteric, but so have the Clash.

Yeah I find that even kids who are really into and good at playing guitar/drums/etc are very open to electronic music/rap beats and have dabbled in production etc. It's only their music teachers who are all "argggh real music" (not you Sund4r, but you know what I mean).

And maybe they don't have to go to goth clubs anymore because that aesthetic has kind of suffused everything.

(sad rap music, dark dance music, etc)

my 13 year old kid and his band did "where is my mind" at the school talent show last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jh5zRakVA&feature=share

they did bowie last year.

Cool!

Oh yeah, the Pixies definitely seem to have become canonized in a way that they never used to be imo. I feel like Sonic Youth is going the other way.

my kids love electronic stuff too though. stuff they hear on the internet/spotify. "electro".

Pretty good cover! What is your kid playing?

he's playing electric guitar and singing. the one with all the hair.

Yeah I find that even kids who are really into and good at playing guitar/drums/etc are very open to electronic music/rap beats and have dabbled in production etc.

I wonder if the Rush revival is related to this, actually.

Lead guitar and lead vocals, that's more than Black Francis could manage.

OTM!

re: the origins of goth

Pete Scathe on the history of goth:
http://www.historyofgoth.com/

Goth - Name
http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/name.htm

Similar to goth, are there young rockabilly guys and girls, or are they all older than me?

I love this thread because I teach university students and sometimes music comes up and it fascinates me in terms of what makes it into their media bubble and what doesn't. One student was telling about how much she loves Rush because her dad got her into them, another was way into NWA and Eazy-E (before the movie came out) because of her mom. And the most boggling one to me was a totally stereotypical blond sorority girl type listening to music in the computer lab and it was like Drake, random EDM I don't care about, some Mumford and Sons sounding shit, then "Love Will Tear Us Apart".

LWTUA has been used a ton in films/tv

Not a popular shift but a personal one: I used to think the Beatles were timeless but I've been hearing them lately and everytime the songs sound more and more shoddy and simplistic. Verse chorus verse chorus pretty arrangement chorus chorus chorus chorus.

Not every song in their catalogue, but some of it is starting to lose its magic to me.

are there young rockabilly guys and girls, or are they all older than me

I think this was a thing for people who were older than me (mid-30s).

is popular opinion shifting away from Led Zeppelin? I feel like about the time grunge happened, Zep's profile was higher than ever, and then over the years, they kind of faded into the background again.

I don't think they ever really faded into the background?

some things

-i've noticed B-52s and OMD records selling much better than they used to
-definitely more interest in obscure 80s R&B than their used to be -- or as the kids call it, "modern soul."
-Leo Kottke is cool now
-Windham Hill appreciation (skotrock def ahead of the curve on this one.)
-younger people being more into genesis & Yes. somehow ELP still terminally unhip.

I think people hating on tom waits is a "serious record collector guy" thing. still sell lots of tom waits to 21 year olds.

Another obvious one is the increased urban appeal of country music.