New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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it's ok, i didn't have any money down.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 8 May 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

I feel I should say that I bought this in Fopp too, and the Matmos as well, each of which was £12 which felt odd as I don't usually have to pay morte than a tenner for anything there. They both come with thick inserts and a slipcase though.

1st track of Walker was surprisingly pleasant and rocking. I am playing computer games to it.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 8 May 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Psst, Psst, Psst, Psst

OK, I have listened to this now and it’s much less abstruse and hard to approach than the thread above had led me to believe... I thought maybe it'd be a chore to get through and after I'd managed I'd not like it and think that I was missing something or that it was my fault. It's comparatively POP compared to what I'd expected and an easier listen than Tilt.

It sounds to me like a horror film soundtrack (1976-1983) mixed with the more rocking end of post-rock and sometimes even bits of the first two Black Sabbath albums (I even thought I heard him mention black masses but I think that was wishful thinking as I can’t see it in the lyrics) (obv. horror soundtracks and this both draw on modernist string composition.) I could even imagine some band on Relapse Records or some of the black metallers that went ambient ending up sounding like this, just from a completely different direction. I mean Walker does like Nine Inch Nails and Mogwai.

It’s got a lot of forward motion and rock energy for a something titled “the Drift”.

I thought the lyric fragments in the thread above were pretty weak but they're much funnier on record and, I'm guessing, deliberately so—-no-one would really write a song about Elvis' twin or use "like what happened in America" as a refrain w/out tongue in cheek these days would they?

Also, “WHAT’S UP DOC?” And the donkey is FUCKING GREAT.

When Scott sings "A man came up toward the body/and poked it with a stick" I think of Crispin Glover in Rivers Edge.

There should be an instrumental version of this record.

I think that this might work as sex music. That’s probably why I’m getting none.

It’s really fucking good.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I have to say, this is the first time I've really missed having the stereo set up. I'm playing it on the laptop with PowerDVD thru a USB soundcard and my second-best headphones (God knows where the Grados are). Wonderful murderous sludge of strings on Clara. Oh, the missus is home. The strings are almost pretty now.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Yes. This record has killed me. Tilt was only appreciated for the parts that sounded most like "Scott 3" but this record has invented a new language.

Ironically, the vocals seem almost inconsequential compared to the incredible depth of the production. The best recorded album I have ever heard.

Owen Pallett (Owen Pallett), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

I gave in. Just done three songs. All I could take at once. Absolutely fucking crackers. I particularly like the bit in "Clara" when Scott's punching the shit out of a side of raw pork and the woman's whispering and the locusts suddenly swarm out of your speakers. I kind of wish I was being figurative.

Jonesey get your hi-fi out.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 8 May 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

I mean I read the thing about him walking past a butcher's and seeing the side of pork and thinking "THAT's the sound I'm after!" but I thought, Nah, fuck off, and then, bang, there it is, Scott Walker punching shit out of a dead pig's arse, in glorious stereo.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 8 May 2006 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Rewire only seven days away, Nick, with mere weeks of decorating to follow. Thinking of having an Audiophile Corner in the bedroom - Copland plugged into the 8000Q, Grados off that. We never let Ava run around upstairs so it would be toddler-safe too. Just the faff of unpacking then repacking ahead of the sparks descending on us.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 8 May 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

"Jonesey get your hi-fi out" is my favourite phrase at the moment.

Blow me a birthday kiss when rewiring starts, remmeber!

My friend's dad had a flash hi-fi when we were kids and he told my friend's younger sibling that if they touched his speakers they'd get electric shocks, one time "demonstrating" this by touching them himself and twitching and screaming a bit and then falling to the floor. Surprisingly my friend's little sister isn't in care or anything.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 06:38 (twenty years ago)

I was pretty apprehensive about writing this up on CoM; I thought it was going to be an immense task, but while the piece has physically taken longer for me to prepare and write than anything I've done on the blog since Aerial - down to the sheer quantity of things to take into account - the thoughts, associations, emotions and reactions came surprisingly easily.

I've still got a few bits and pieces to put in, but hopefully the article will be up on CoM by the end of this week.

To put it very, very mildly, the record has shaken me to my core.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 07:29 (twenty years ago)

.. but the dad went to hospital for wiring his speakers to the mains.

xpost TIMING!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 07:30 (twenty years ago)

This record is made for COM innit

First thoughts: a lot of it feels like Opera! As in Benjamin Britten operas (first time i'd noticed that Scott's voice isn't a million miles away from Peter Pears').

The meat punching is really really unnerving. I think it's the arrhythmic nature of it - it sounds like beats but it's out of synch with the actual 'beat' of the music. The same goes, to a slightly lesser extent, for the looped walking down the stairs sound effect.

I liked the Eno-esque "inventing new instruments" aspects - could have done with even more of this actually. And a bit more variety in general too: some of the tracks in the second half appeared to repeat tricks I'd heard in the first. But this is only a minor quibble - it's probably better to listen to each song on its own rather than all in one go anyway.

Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 09:07 (twenty years ago)

Here's hoping that Marcello makes a better fist of it than Jess Harvell, for whom The Drift is "a regular barrel of monkeys", whose "European excesses stink of clove cigarettes and pungent cheese."

Also he gets his facts wrong. There was no Walker Brothers reunion in 1970, Climate Of Hunter does not "remain out of print", Tilt does not feature "Walker chanting random numbers over the sound of a chain being pulled", the Drift doesn't feature an "ancient tuba", etc., etc.

http://www.citypaper.com/music/story.asp?id=11759

P. Howes, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:27 (twenty years ago)

just about every sentence in that review seems to me either off base (the description of "The Electrician") or lazy. He calls the album "absurdly pretentious" but is it any less pretentious than comparing it to Pasolini's oeuvre? what Pasolini film does it resemble? just... all of 'em? i guess he chose Pasolini because "farmer in the City" is dedicated to him. it's also quite horrible to read those "funny" facts like the ones you mentioned, Patrick, and this old chestnut "the only album in history to feature free-improvising saxophonist Evan Parker and Billy Ocean". Yeah?

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:58 (twenty years ago)

There is a tuba on "Hang Me Ups" but not necessarily an "ancient" one.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)

What the hell is "European excess"? Can one really be European to excess? I guess the article is trying to sell the album to frat boys or something, for whom Europe means smelly cheese.

By "ancient tuba" maybe he means the tubax, which Scott talks about in interviews. Except it's not a tuba, ancient or otherwise, it's a type of saxophone.

jz, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

tubax = bass sax

x-post

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:12 (twenty years ago)

It is odd, the obsession with effulgent European decadence among post-Christgau Americans: it's like reading 'Portrait of a Lady' or something. "Us honest hard-working Yankees just don't have the time for all that fancy book-learning!"

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:15 (twenty years ago)

just about every sentence in that review seems to me either off base (the description of "The Electrician") or lazy.

Yeah, as for The Electrician "cruising down frozen autobahns of synthesizer", the most predominant thing about the song is that it's orchestral!

jz, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:21 (twenty years ago)

that is ultimately a positive review

and much as i love scott, the whiff of pretension does hang round, though rarely envelops

i'd rather read something that acknowledges that than breathless hyperbole/if-you-don't-appreciate-the-genius-you're-stupid stuff

boy child, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:22 (twenty years ago)

Some people would rather read Jade Goody's autobiography than Portrait Of A Lady. Funny old world innit?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:26 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to read jess harvell's review of jade goody's autobiography

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:27 (twenty years ago)

i'm looking forward to Marcello's piece simply because i found CoM all those years ago while googling "Tilt".

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:29 (twenty years ago)

christgau on scott is pretty funny:

It's Raining Today: The Scott Walker Story (1967-1970) [Razor & Tie, 1996]
Nothing I'd read about this L.A. wannabe turned moody Brit teenthrob--going back to Nik Cohn's Rock From the Beginning, which pegged him as "top-heavy and maudlin" in 1968--prepared me for how purely godawful he'd be. We're talking Anthony Newley without the voice muscles, "MacArthur Park" as light-programme boilerplate, a male Vera Lynn for late bloomers who found Paul McCartney too r&b. Go ahead, believe Nick Cave, Oasis, Foetus, and, I cannot tell a lie, compiler Marshall Crenshaw. But I'm warning you--when I gave him the benefit of the doubt, all I got was this lousy review. C-

I think he's wrong, but he's hardly anti-intellectual. Ultimately Christgau's aesthetic is about directness, rhythm, communication with the audience. Pretty much the opposite of everything Scott Walker stands for.

boy child, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:32 (twenty years ago)

Some people would rather read Jade Goody's autobiography than Portrait Of A Lady. Funny old world innit?

The boilerplate comeback of the intellectual for, like, ever. Weak.

boy child, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Those wanting to sample this and who have subscriptions to Emusic, it's up there for download. Of course, you're missing out on the big booklet etc

mms (mms), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:42 (twenty years ago)

re: Christgau (and let's not please turn this thread to another one about him ), I was referring to this kind of thing.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:44 (twenty years ago)

Strange that, because according to the email I was recently sent by Mr Christgau, his aesthetic appears to be all about expecting Village Voice contributors to pay to have their reviews and articles printed. I suppose that's his way of "communicating with the audience."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:49 (twenty years ago)

Strictly speaking that was to do with P&J "commentaries," but it's clearly the tip of the iceberg.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:51 (twenty years ago)

um, yeah, whatever you say

yes, jerry the nipper, i know that side of him and it's always been annoying... however, i don't think there's much to it in the end

and let's just say that, um, english/european critics are hardly immune to reductive stereotypes about america...

boy child, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)

who started it?

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

it's not worth it, mate

i like a good transatlantic mudfest, myself

on the flip side, these stereotypes are getting at something real, however clumsily

anyway

boy child, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:10 (twenty years ago)

It's not what I say, it's what Christgau said.
Anyway, I need to keep reminding myself: DNFTT.
Back on topic - this be a tubax.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:12 (twenty years ago)

and let's just say that, um, english/european critics are hardly immune to reductive stereotypes about america...

Not so, you stetson-wearing, loud-mouthed moron.

Marcel Proust Fancy Pants European Decadent Gay Boy, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:12 (twenty years ago)

If Momus said - and may well have done - something like "American excesses stink of Marlboros and processed cheese" half this board would be calling him a racist!

It just seems odd that Jess should pick on the records "pretensions" as being "European" - as if there aren't loads of avant-noise US composers.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:12 (twenty years ago)

(I think the subtext to all this is something like "Scott Engel was a good old American rock and roller who moved to Europe, changed his name, and got corrupted by Jean Paul Sartre, Paul Celan and the wicked, sinful, cities of The East.")

But let's let it go :)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)

It's not what I say, it's what Christgau said.

I have no idea he said, or what you're talking about. And immediately switching the debate over to personal gripes is dirty fighting.

Come on, you're just a couple of posts away from putting your first through the screen, aren't you?

Jerry, it probably relates to the fact that Scott Walker is an American who has lived in Europes for decades and been explicity influenced by Europe's high modernist art.

xpost yes

boy child, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:17 (twenty years ago)

oops fist :)

boy child, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:18 (twenty years ago)

Jess' review is so full of bullshit it makes you wonder whether he's even heard the album.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:27 (twenty years ago)

OTM. That review is so dire it's hard to know where to begin.

Most sad songs are sad over things that can be cured with a hug, a few kind words, or some chocolate.

Words fail!

eclectic glamazon, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)

you guys have a long way to go before you're going to top the tool fans.

strongo hulkington wishes he had as many $100-dollar bills as i do (dubplatestyl, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

OK Well hoews this then you big know-it-all! you think your so smart just bcz u write for a BIG CVITY NEWSPPR, oh mr hotshot, you write for the CITYPAPER lol!1!! well I have loved Scott Walker for years and who are you to say you understand him betteer! just bcz you think one thing that doesn't mean you are totally smart, Scott Walker is a GENIUS and your review shoud have said so right ff and since i t didnt I can only conclude that you are JEALOUS of SW! maybe you sish u could sing like him and that ppl loved u so much. that's what i think, prove me wrong!! in conclusion i love scott walke and hate all the people who diss him but shot all the people who like him! twice!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)

I love you.

(The review, meanwhile, strikes me as a perfectly sound way, both humorous and serious, to talk about The Drift for an audience that is interested in music but probably almost totally unfamiliar with his work -- in otherwards, exactly the expected audience of the City Paper readership.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)


Thomas hilariously OTM.

People need to chill the fuck out. Jess's review was rock solid.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

So was Enron.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

New album =

owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Great! Even though I've only made it through two songs. Some parts of each were very humorous, in the same way that "the world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." (H.P. Lovecraft)

owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

So was Enron.

this is a comeback? or a non sequitir?

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:19 (twenty years ago)

iv diuretic?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

For those who love Scott but are underwhelmed by this record, Stylus nailed it today:

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/reviews/scott-walker/the-drift.htm

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)


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