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villalobos is a genius= villalobos is a genius and booka shade make dumbo pleb house

villalobos is a genius= villalobos is a genius and booka shade make dumbo pleb house

villalobos is a genius= villalobos is a genius and booka shade make dumbo pleb house

Also, if the 44-minute track is 4 real- I would sooo not mind if it were that final track on the Awakenings-mix. Sounds like it could last forever and only get better and better.

Also #2, long-time lurker, semi-first time poster. Hi.

That is the funniest thing I've read on this thread.

not his own fault perhaps but can't you practically hear the "oh my god his new track is FORTY FOUR MINUTES LONG" wankathon before it's even begun. "I HAVEN'T HEARD IT BUT IT'S 44 MINUTES LONG!"

"I HAVEN'T HEARD HIS LATEST SINGLE BUT APPARENTLY IT WAS MADE BY PLAYING ONE INSTRUMENT WITH ANOTHER"

excitement = bad!

Of course, Ronan, but don't you believe in people being genuinely excited? Quite honestly, I think most people don't really give a fuck how long any *supposed* track or whatever is... but any talk of new stuff gets people going, and rightly so.

x-post yes of course it must excite people, I guess I just hate him playing up the lame cult of the auteur thing.

The amount of people I know who talk about Villalobos as "genius" etc etc etc and listen to no other minimal is really weird.

Have to say even listening to a fair bit of minimal myself I still think he's a bit touched, even IN the context of the surrounding scene.

eg: aphex - bored, scornful of the mythology
villalobos - still prettyu amused/excited by it

I think it depends on whether we're excited about great tracks that just happen to be very long or excited about tracks simply because they are long.

Both Orbital and Villalobos muddy the waters b/c with them (increasingly for Villalobos anyway) the longer the track is the better it usually is. This is odd actually, if I'd not heard Villalobos's longer recent tracks ("True To Myself", the stuff on Achso, the recent remixes) I would have thought that they'd be the site of his worst excesses, and in a way they are, except that b/c Villalobos is starting from a point of minimalism, "excess" is usually a good thing in his case - more melody, more drama, more hooks, more interestingly unfurling rhythms.

(cf. Underworld and The Orb, where I don't think there was really a connection b/w the length of the track and its quality)

I've never understood this 'hater' mindset myself. Since no value judgment on the music has been placed (in this case), though, it just seems kind of silly...

[excited about] great tracks that just happen to be very long or excited about tracks simply because they are long.

A song ends when it ends. From most of what I've heard from Villalobos, I think he knows this.

Also, I feel like most people posting here listen to other 'minimal' along with the rest of dance music. Uh-huh uh-huh.

he may have set out to make a very long track, as a challenge to himself or he may have started working on one that found its natural length at 44 minutes. i'm very doubtful that he would have made one as a mythologising excercise BUT getting excited about the prospect of this new track BECAUSE it's 44 minutes long is a perfectly good reason to anticipate it.

it may well turn out to be a test of the "genius" tag - "can he pull this off?" - or it may just be another V track that just happens to be 44 minutes long (not too much of a stretch after Achso). it could be a mess or it could be amazing, but to me at least, his recent tracks are already either a mess or amazing while being fairly similar. the things that make the work are often intangible or at least difficult to describe & is maybe where the genius lies?

hahaha. i have been known to do this when there was no music actually playing at all.

Also, if the 44-minute track is 4 real- I would sooo not mind if it were that final track on the Awakenings-mix. Sounds like it could last forever and only get better and better.

How true.

I like the emphasis on the kick a bit more than I like the endless noodling, although sieso was nice.

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anyway, all music = weird noises at some point.

(In other words, weird noises do not usually make a good dance party. But V's stuff isn't just 'weird noises.' It can make your hips move.)

Honest, sure. The question is whether it's a value judgment or not-- for some people it is, and more often than not, that judgment is in the negative. Understandable? Ya, sure. But I also think that a negative view towards what are here called 'weird sounds' is a bit close-minded.