Kim Gordon thinks Cobain was murdered

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Nick Broomfield is quite possibly the worst documentary filmmaker out there. He's lucky he's got a gift for selecting interesting subject matter, because he seems like he has no clue what he's doing and it shows. The most ridiculous part of the Cobain doc is where El Duce says "I know who did it," and Broomfield doesn't even ask who. He just goes off into some other thing. WTF?

one of Soaked in Bleach's most interesting points was that all the heroin paraphernalia was neatly placed back in the box. like he shot up and then carefully put everything back in the box and managed this complicated maneuver while high as fuck on a near-lethal dose.

typically junkies aren't quite so agile.

lol learn to watch movies. Broomfield's clueless schtick is what gets his subjects to repeatedly and routinely incriminate themselves on camera, his films are as much about ridiculing documentary cliches and tropes as they are about their nominal subjects. His best film is probably the one about the prostitution ranch in Nevada, the end where he tries to buy the girls' freedom is heartbreaking.

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typically junkies aren't quite so agile.

Burroughs would beg to differ

speaking of junkie murder conspiracies

ah yes, the completely unfounded theory about courtney killing kurt is definitely comparable to burroughs literally shooting jean vollmer in the head and then fleeing the country to avoid prosecution

lol learn to watch movies.

thank you for the advice. it's not something i'd ever considered before, so the worldly perspective of someone who has "been there" is quite appreciated.

Broomfield's clueless schtick is what gets his subjects to repeatedly and routinely incriminate themselves on camera, his films are as much about ridiculing documentary cliches and tropes as they are about their nominal subjects.

I've seen 2-3 of his documentaries and I never once got the impression that his cluelessness is a studied act to elicit unguarded responses. If it works, it seems like a complete accident.

Broomfield's recent documentary on the LA Grim Sleeper serial killer is great - the only thing clueless is how shocked he is to discover how the systematic racism and bigotry is in the LAPD/DA Establishment.

Which is totally an act given his p exposure to it in biggie and tupac

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I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person. Everyone seems so certain of this and it always confuses me. All I know is that she made some really great records a couple of decades ago. And?

one of Soaked in Bleach's most interesting points was that all the heroin paraphernalia was neatly placed back in the box. like he shot up and then carefully put everything back in the box and managed this complicated maneuver while high as fuck on a near-lethal dose.

typically junkies aren't quite so agile.

what's your source for this claim? cleaning up yr works and being meticulous about it is actually super common among junkies who have a place to live. assuming he had a tolerance going, shoot up then neatly put away all his shit neatly is exactly what I'd expect.

what's your source for this claim?

it's in the movie. "Soaked in Bleach" is a movie. as has been helpfully pointed out in this thread:

lol learn to watch movies.

a warning: you may need to watch the entire movie. it's near the end.

I went grocery shopping and made spaghetti and meatballs while nodding off one time lol

My habit was more recreational and my administration intranasal so not exactly analogous but like you can do stuff while buzzed

you are lucky to be alive jim. stay off that stuff if you can. i have seen it kill too many friends over the years.

Oh yeah it's not the best thing to do, was youthful experimenting for me. Bumped into a couple of acquaintances yesterday who have fallen pretty far pretty quickly :|

I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person. Everyone seems so certain of this and it always confuses me. All I know is that she made some really great records a couple of decades ago. And?

― kraudive, Saturday, March 19, 2016 1:27 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sexism/misogyny plain and simple. None of her "bad" or "crazy" behavior seems worse than what countless male rock stars have gotten away with.

Ralph Macchio killed Cobain with karate

damn @ midtown starbucks

I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person.

Guys just really hate vocal fry.

It's not really... hard to understand. Nearly everyone who has dealt with Courtney seems to have some severely negative opinions about her, male and female.

Hole had some jams though.

And Kurt did it himself, come on.

it's in the movie. "Soaked in Bleach" is a movie.

oh. well, then the movie is making a false assertion that doesn't bear repeating (or watching through to the end). I was addicted to heroin for several years and have personally enjoyed the company of people, and been one, who carefully put away all our supplies while too high to stand up straight.

Nick Broomfield is quite possibly the worst documentary filmmaker out there. He's lucky he's got a gift for selecting interesting subject matter, because he seems like he has no clue what he's doing and it shows. The most ridiculous part of the Cobain doc is where El Duce says "I know who did it," and Broomfield doesn't even ask who. He just goes off into some other thing. WTF?

Courtney got to him to then... or was it the Cubans?

Mark Cuban

Wait until you guys hear the conspiracy theory about George Martin not being a musician. It's a hoot!

lol sod off dude i misspoke

obviously i know george martin was a musician, i meant he wasn't a public performer, and that might be why the reaction was muted. and he lived a full long life. flappy out

Murder or self-inflicted, it was 25 years ago today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNftTyKA3EU

and Albert R. Broccoli was born 110 years ago today

I was genuinely bummed. Found out from a friend leaving me a phone message, on the landline.

I was driving from KC back home to Lawrence, and the news came over NPR. As I recall it was kinda late afternoon?

Someone came into the darkroom at my high school to break the news, I remember him being gleeful about having important news to share.

I heard it from Kurt Loder. It was a blow, and it blew.

My family pulled into the den to see it on the NBC News that night, I was shocked frankly, even though I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan it felt like the first time someone on the "big stage" that was one of my people, not a left over 60s or 70s artist, but someone I related to & recognized died and (despite all the warning signs) I was gobsmacked

that's such a weird tic some people have when they're excited to share some fucked-up news. i remember a kid coming to band class in HS with a big smile because he was the first one to hear that paul wellstone died. guess it made him feel important to be the bearer of news

first news story I heard break on the internet, on the alt.punk usenet group.

I overheard a couple of guys talking about it at (I think) a Phantom Surfers show in London. I raised my eyebrows and said nothing.

I was in a shitty nightclub and they played Smells Like Teen Spirit which I thought was weird because they didn't normally play music like that, it was usually Eurodance and the same "party" songs over and over (imagine Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons stamping on a human ear forever), and my friend said oh didn't you hear

that's such a weird tic some people have when they're excited to share some fucked-up news. i remember a kid coming to band class in HS with a big smile because he was the first one to hear that paul wellstone died. guess it made him feel important to be the bearer of news

― global tetrahedron, Friday, April 5, 2019 1:11 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seriously, it's like in fifth grade when kids were breathlessly relating the news when each of the Beastie Boys died of drug overdoses in such quick succession. It was really fucked up, not the least reason being that it taught me the hard way that fifth graders are totally full of shit.

if 1986 was like 2019

it was raining; i came home from work (at a north carolina public school system) and one of my housemates was sitting at the kitchen table watching mtv. he said kurt cobain killed himself and we both were like, well, not too surprising

Seriously, it's like in fifth grade when kids were breathlessly relating the news when each of the Beastie Boys died of drug overdoses in such quick succession.

they were similarly callous about what ought to have been a private matter for rod stewart

I was 17 and in college and yet have no specific recollection of hearing the news.

(Ask me about River Phoenix, though — hoo boy...)

I was 14, I'd never heard his name before, the only mention of Nirvana I'd heard was hearing my older brother listening to Weird Al's "Smells Like Nirvana". It was whispered about but that was it. Somebody drew graffiti in the boy's bathroom that said "we miss you Kurt" and a cross. It was a year later before I actually heard the band ("Smells Like Teen Spirit" blaring out of the high school weight room on repeat). It was the first celebrity death I can remember registering as having happened, but I had no emotional response. Shannon Hoon a year later, then John Candy a year after that was a mild bummer. It was only when Lady Di died that I actually felt sad about a celebrity dying, and it took until John Fahey died for me to ever cry about it.