Kim Gordon thinks Cobain was murdered

courtney is a pretty terrible person tbf

and I am also a big fan of Nick Broomfield and even his doc makes it p clear how loony the theory that she had him killed is (while also making Courtney look like a horrible person)

courtney is horrible but too much of a human trainwreck to pull something like this off

i thought i saw her in starbucks once a few years ago, like a midtown starbucks

soaked in bleach is unbelievable garbage

"evidence on both sides" smdh

jet fuel can't melt steel beams

Courtney >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick Broomfield

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Broomfield's Aileen Wuornos docs are better than anything Courtney ever touched

... including the trigger of that gun.

http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/contentimage/26539/Billy-Corgan-and-Courtney-006.jpg

Nick Broomfield is quite possibly the worst documentary filmmaker out there. He's lucky he's got a gift for selecting interesting subject matter, because he seems like he has no clue what he's doing and it shows. The most ridiculous part of the Cobain doc is where El Duce says "I know who did it," and Broomfield doesn't even ask who. He just goes off into some other thing. WTF?

one of Soaked in Bleach's most interesting points was that all the heroin paraphernalia was neatly placed back in the box. like he shot up and then carefully put everything back in the box and managed this complicated maneuver while high as fuck on a near-lethal dose.

typically junkies aren't quite so agile.

lol learn to watch movies. Broomfield's clueless schtick is what gets his subjects to repeatedly and routinely incriminate themselves on camera, his films are as much about ridiculing documentary cliches and tropes as they are about their nominal subjects. His best film is probably the one about the prostitution ranch in Nevada, the end where he tries to buy the girls' freedom is heartbreaking.

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typically junkies aren't quite so agile.

Burroughs would beg to differ

speaking of junkie murder conspiracies

ah yes, the completely unfounded theory about courtney killing kurt is definitely comparable to burroughs literally shooting jean vollmer in the head and then fleeing the country to avoid prosecution

lol learn to watch movies.

thank you for the advice. it's not something i'd ever considered before, so the worldly perspective of someone who has "been there" is quite appreciated.

Broomfield's clueless schtick is what gets his subjects to repeatedly and routinely incriminate themselves on camera, his films are as much about ridiculing documentary cliches and tropes as they are about their nominal subjects.

I've seen 2-3 of his documentaries and I never once got the impression that his cluelessness is a studied act to elicit unguarded responses. If it works, it seems like a complete accident.

Broomfield's recent documentary on the LA Grim Sleeper serial killer is great - the only thing clueless is how shocked he is to discover how the systematic racism and bigotry is in the LAPD/DA Establishment.

Which is totally an act given his p exposure to it in biggie and tupac

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I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person. Everyone seems so certain of this and it always confuses me. All I know is that she made some really great records a couple of decades ago. And?

one of Soaked in Bleach's most interesting points was that all the heroin paraphernalia was neatly placed back in the box. like he shot up and then carefully put everything back in the box and managed this complicated maneuver while high as fuck on a near-lethal dose.

typically junkies aren't quite so agile.

what's your source for this claim? cleaning up yr works and being meticulous about it is actually super common among junkies who have a place to live. assuming he had a tolerance going, shoot up then neatly put away all his shit neatly is exactly what I'd expect.

what's your source for this claim?

it's in the movie. "Soaked in Bleach" is a movie. as has been helpfully pointed out in this thread:

lol learn to watch movies.

a warning: you may need to watch the entire movie. it's near the end.

I went grocery shopping and made spaghetti and meatballs while nodding off one time lol

My habit was more recreational and my administration intranasal so not exactly analogous but like you can do stuff while buzzed

you are lucky to be alive jim. stay off that stuff if you can. i have seen it kill too many friends over the years.

Oh yeah it's not the best thing to do, was youthful experimenting for me. Bumped into a couple of acquaintances yesterday who have fallen pretty far pretty quickly :|

I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person. Everyone seems so certain of this and it always confuses me. All I know is that she made some really great records a couple of decades ago. And?

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Sexism/misogyny plain and simple. None of her "bad" or "crazy" behavior seems worse than what countless male rock stars have gotten away with.

Ralph Macchio killed Cobain with karate

damn @ midtown starbucks

I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person.

Guys just really hate vocal fry.

It's not really... hard to understand. Nearly everyone who has dealt with Courtney seems to have some severely negative opinions about her, male and female.

Hole had some jams though.

And Kurt did it himself, come on.

it's in the movie. "Soaked in Bleach" is a movie.

oh. well, then the movie is making a false assertion that doesn't bear repeating (or watching through to the end). I was addicted to heroin for several years and have personally enjoyed the company of people, and been one, who carefully put away all our supplies while too high to stand up straight.

Nick Broomfield is quite possibly the worst documentary filmmaker out there. He's lucky he's got a gift for selecting interesting subject matter, because he seems like he has no clue what he's doing and it shows. The most ridiculous part of the Cobain doc is where El Duce says "I know who did it," and Broomfield doesn't even ask who. He just goes off into some other thing. WTF?

Courtney got to him to then... or was it the Cubans?

Mark Cuban

Wait until you guys hear the conspiracy theory about George Martin not being a musician. It's a hoot!

lol sod off dude i misspoke

obviously i know george martin was a musician, i meant he wasn't a public performer, and that might be why the reaction was muted. and he lived a full long life. flappy out

Murder or self-inflicted, it was 25 years ago today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNftTyKA3EU

and Albert R. Broccoli was born 110 years ago today

I was genuinely bummed. Found out from a friend leaving me a phone message, on the landline.

I was driving from KC back home to Lawrence, and the news came over NPR. As I recall it was kinda late afternoon?

Someone came into the darkroom at my high school to break the news, I remember him being gleeful about having important news to share.

I heard it from Kurt Loder. It was a blow, and it blew.

My family pulled into the den to see it on the NBC News that night, I was shocked frankly, even though I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan it felt like the first time someone on the "big stage" that was one of my people, not a left over 60s or 70s artist, but someone I related to & recognized died and (despite all the warning signs) I was gobsmacked

that's such a weird tic some people have when they're excited to share some fucked-up news. i remember a kid coming to band class in HS with a big smile because he was the first one to hear that paul wellstone died. guess it made him feel important to be the bearer of news