He shot himself. The end. Get over it.
― // 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Friday, 18 March 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
compelling argument
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
I'm not obsessing over it. It bugs me from time to time. Like I said, there's evidence on both sides. This is easily the most compelling piece of information that suggests he didn't pull the trigger. I agree with jim in glasgow though that, if someone wanted to kill Cobain, why not just incapacitate him and give him an OD? There's just so much fuzziness on both sides that it still doesn't sit well with me. Sorry. I don't think it's obvious what happened either way.
― flappy bird, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
I'd assume if you were going to plan and pull off a sophisticated staged suicide you wouldn't use a comically oversized gun, though i am not a criminal mastermind.
This has pretty much always been about demonising Courtney.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 18 March 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link
^
― Treeship, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link
^^^^
― uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Friday, 18 March 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link
ftr I hate Courtney like nobody's business but I don't buy the conspiracy theories about her having him murdered (amusing as they are) for a second
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
it's like, b/w this and o.j., the 90s just refuse to end.
― dc, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
courtney is a pretty terrible person tbf
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
and I am also a big fan of Nick Broomfield and even his doc makes it p clear how loony the theory that she had him killed is (while also making Courtney look like a horrible person)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
courtney is horrible but too much of a human trainwreck to pull something like this off
― i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:05 (eight years ago) link
i thought i saw her in starbucks once a few years ago, like a midtown starbucks
― Treeship, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:05 (eight years ago) link
soaked in bleach is unbelievable garbage
"evidence on both sides" smdh
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
jet fuel can't melt steel beams
― uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link
Courtney >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick Broomfield
― A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:33 (eight years ago) link
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
Broomfield's Aileen Wuornos docs are better than anything Courtney ever touched
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
... including the trigger of that gun.
― A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/contentimage/26539/Billy-Corgan-and-Courtney-006.jpg
― karla jay vespers, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link
Nick Broomfield is quite possibly the worst documentary filmmaker out there. He's lucky he's got a gift for selecting interesting subject matter, because he seems like he has no clue what he's doing and it shows. The most ridiculous part of the Cobain doc is where El Duce says "I know who did it," and Broomfield doesn't even ask who. He just goes off into some other thing. WTF?
― Poliopolice, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
one of Soaked in Bleach's most interesting points was that all the heroin paraphernalia was neatly placed back in the box. like he shot up and then carefully put everything back in the box and managed this complicated maneuver while high as fuck on a near-lethal dose.
typically junkies aren't quite so agile.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 March 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link
lol learn to watch movies. Broomfield's clueless schtick is what gets his subjects to repeatedly and routinely incriminate themselves on camera, his films are as much about ridiculing documentary cliches and tropes as they are about their nominal subjects. His best film is probably the one about the prostitution ranch in Nevada, the end where he tries to buy the girls' freedom is heartbreaking.
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
Burroughs would beg to differ
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
speaking of junkie murder conspiracies
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 March 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link
ah yes, the completely unfounded theory about courtney killing kurt is definitely comparable to burroughs literally shooting jean vollmer in the head and then fleeing the country to avoid prosecution
― qualx, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
lol learn to watch movies.
thank you for the advice. it's not something i'd ever considered before, so the worldly perspective of someone who has "been there" is quite appreciated.
Broomfield's clueless schtick is what gets his subjects to repeatedly and routinely incriminate themselves on camera, his films are as much about ridiculing documentary cliches and tropes as they are about their nominal subjects.
I've seen 2-3 of his documentaries and I never once got the impression that his cluelessness is a studied act to elicit unguarded responses. If it works, it seems like a complete accident.
― Poliopolice, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:01 (eight years ago) link
Broomfield's recent documentary on the LA Grim Sleeper serial killer is great - the only thing clueless is how shocked he is to discover how the systematic racism and bigotry is in the LAPD/DA Establishment.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:10 (eight years ago) link
Which is totally an act given his p exposure to it in biggie and tupac
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:30 (eight years ago) link
Previous even
I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person. Everyone seems so certain of this and it always confuses me. All I know is that she made some really great records a couple of decades ago. And?
― kraudive, Saturday, 19 March 2016 01:27 (eight years ago) link
one of Soaked in Bleach's most interesting points was that all the heroin paraphernalia was neatly placed back in the box. like he shot up and then carefully put everything back in the box and managed this complicated maneuver while high as fuck on a near-lethal dose.typically junkies aren't quite so agile.
what's your source for this claim? cleaning up yr works and being meticulous about it is actually super common among junkies who have a place to live. assuming he had a tolerance going, shoot up then neatly put away all his shit neatly is exactly what I'd expect.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 19 March 2016 01:47 (eight years ago) link
what's your source for this claim?
it's in the movie. "Soaked in Bleach" is a movie. as has been helpfully pointed out in this thread:
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:04 (eight years ago) link
a warning: you may need to watch the entire movie. it's near the end.
I went grocery shopping and made spaghetti and meatballs while nodding off one time lol
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:05 (eight years ago) link
My habit was more recreational and my administration intranasal so not exactly analogous but like you can do stuff while buzzed
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:06 (eight years ago) link
you are lucky to be alive jim. stay off that stuff if you can. i have seen it kill too many friends over the years.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:13 (eight years ago) link
Oh yeah it's not the best thing to do, was youthful experimenting for me. Bumped into a couple of acquaintances yesterday who have fallen pretty far pretty quickly :|
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:18 (eight years ago) link
― kraudive, Saturday, March 19, 2016 1:27 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sexism/misogyny plain and simple. None of her "bad" or "crazy" behavior seems worse than what countless male rock stars have gotten away with.
― Star Wars ate shiitake (latebloomer), Saturday, 19 March 2016 03:35 (eight years ago) link
Ralph Macchio killed Cobain with karate
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 March 2016 03:39 (eight years ago) link
damn @ midtown starbucks
― bloat laureate (schlump), Saturday, 19 March 2016 03:44 (eight years ago) link
I don't really understand why it's generally accepted that Courtney is a bad person.
Guys just really hate vocal fry.
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 19 March 2016 06:22 (eight years ago) link
It's not really... hard to understand. Nearly everyone who has dealt with Courtney seems to have some severely negative opinions about her, male and female.
Hole had some jams though.
― circa1916, Saturday, 19 March 2016 06:45 (eight years ago) link
And Kurt did it himself, come on.
― circa1916, Saturday, 19 March 2016 06:46 (eight years ago) link
it's in the movie. "Soaked in Bleach" is a movie.
oh. well, then the movie is making a false assertion that doesn't bear repeating (or watching through to the end). I was addicted to heroin for several years and have personally enjoyed the company of people, and been one, who carefully put away all our supplies while too high to stand up straight.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 19 March 2016 09:13 (eight years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:14 (eight years ago) link
Courtney got to him to then... or was it the Cubans?
― A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:18 (eight years ago) link
Mark Cuban
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:27 (eight years ago) link
Wait until you guys hear the conspiracy theory about George Martin not being a musician. It's a hoot!
― // 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
lol sod off dude i misspoke
― flappy bird, Saturday, 19 March 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link