Is there a writer out there not sleeping on one of these things?
i am ikea and proud
― maura, Thursday, 17 March 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link
i am ikea and not proud
― ulysses, Thursday, 17 March 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link
who says freelancers sleep?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
xp Career advice is hard — I've hardly received any — because so little is universally applicable. I could write it in a postcard:
1. Write well and relatively fast.2. Be well organised3. File clean copy on time and never let an editor down.4. Be pleasant to deal with even when you disagree with your editor.5. Say yes more often than no.6. Write for a range of titles (if you can) in case one goes out of business.7. Write about a range of subjects in a range of formats (if you can). Everyone gets pigeonholed but make your pigeonhole as broad as possible.
The rest is luck.
― impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 17 March 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
And don't tell an editor after they've made you rewrite something a bunch to take your name off of the review and change it to the name Rick Rockrite. They hate that.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 March 2016 20:36 (eight years ago) link
Write well and relatively fast
N.B.: Writing fast and relatively well is not an acceptable substitute.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 17 March 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
shorter postcard:
1. don't fuck up2. don't be a fuckup3. if you're worried about whether you are, in a field that demands 24/7 sociability and a bottomless chalice of self-confidence in the face of all evidence, you are probably a fuckup
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:02 (eight years ago) link
How many times can #1 happen before I move into phase 2?
― Evan, Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:03 (eight years ago) link
in all seriousness though I actually have had quite a few high school or college students email me for advice (why they emailed *me*, instead of any number of other writers, suggests they probably genuinely do need the advice) and I've never known what to say, because I don't have any pat palatable advice that I can endorse with a clear conscience
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
Then tell them what it's like and how things generally work rather than what they should do.
― Evan, Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link
Tell them to post on ILX and one day their job can be tasting pineapples and fig newtons on Gawker
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:38 (eight years ago) link
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Man hands on misery to man.It deepens like a coastal shelf.Get out as early as you can,And don't write any crit yourself.
― ive seen enough Good Wife episodes (s.clover), Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:45 (eight years ago) link
this old anvil laughs at many broken hammersthere are men who can't be boughtthe fireborn are at home in fire.the stars make no noise,you can't hinder the wind from blowing.time is a great teacher.who can live without hope?
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link
Carl Sandberg in a music thread has to be a tribute to something or other.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2016 21:56 (eight years ago) link
Didn't think this week could gobble it;'s own dick any more, but Stereogum is straight up running WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE WHITE MEN stormfront propaganda
http://www.stereogum.com/1866209/sorority-noise-and-pinegrove-save-indie-rock-at-sxsw/franchises/sounding-board/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link
Emo has become the best refuge for those turned off by indie’s longstanding flight from guitar-driven rock music toward synthesized pop.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
On a purely musical level, the way they fused DIY and arena rock elements was glorious; they wielded power chords and vocal harmonies and cleverly self-deprecating lyrics with such profound force that for the first time in 15 years it didn’t matter that Weezer fell off.
― ulysses, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
indie rock saved at brooklyn vegan afterparty presented by gretsch
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:39 (eight years ago) link
i love a lot of the music he describes, what an awful way to frame it
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link
Emo, country, mid-’90s VH1 pop-rock: I realize none of these are particularly reputable styles among an indie rock audience
lol this sentence appears right after 9 paragraphs talking about "emo’s creative renaissance" and right before comparing the band to Wilco
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link
also I've played Cheer Up Charlies indoor stage it does not hold "more than a couple hundred people" it's about the size of a Dunkin' Donuts.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link
possibly i have "emo is back!!!! in pog form" thinkpiece fatigue
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link
Like Sorority Noise’s Boucher, Evan Stephens Hall is one of the great lyricists of our time
obviously
― Wimmels, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:52 (eight years ago) link
too bad this wasn't the time or place to ask an all-male band about why they named themselves Sorority Noise. it's not like a context for that discussion was set up in the first paragraph
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:53 (eight years ago) link
i've never listened to them for that reason lol
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 18 March 2016 19:55 (eight years ago) link
This was a party, a religious experience, and a workout routine all at once.
ok i mean i hate to pile on but can we end live reviews now
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 18 March 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
I honestly find Sorority Noise a less offensive name than A Great Big Pile Of Leaves. Whoever came up with that should be force-fed leaves until they fucking die.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 18 March 2016 20:03 (eight years ago) link
hahahahaha
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
i'm enjoying this new snark-free whiney persona
― k3vin k., Friday, 18 March 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
has he given up Subway?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 March 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, March 18, 2016 4:11 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Swore off it on Twitter, never said anything about ILX
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 18 March 2016 20:58 (eight years ago) link
lol fair
― k3vin k., Friday, 18 March 2016 21:00 (eight years ago) link
zing fresh my friends
― ulysses, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:48 (eight years ago) link
http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/03/justin-bieber-continues-his-assault-on-kurt-cobains-legacy-by-performing-inside-a-heart-shaped-box/
― Frozen CD, Sunday, 20 March 2016 01:12 (eight years ago) link
The name "Sorority Noise" is good cause to once again trot out this Ian Svenonius quote:
The powerful associative effect of names is often misunderstood. While fondly thought of, mammalian names are a mistake--unless one chooses a mythical beast. A wild animal is a graceful creature that needs no clothes or grooming to look spectacular, and your onlookers--their expectations heightened--will inevitably be disappointed by the oafish onstage display of whatever crew of humanoids you've managed to muster. "Oh dear," they will say, "they are nothing like wolves/foxes/etc." If one hangs sucha name on one's group, one is raising the bar too high.
Male groups with "Girls" in their name have a similar problem. In literature and film, the "girl" represents the reader's/viewer's pure self-image. The audience is supposed to identify with the "girl," who is innocent, brave, artless, attractive, and clever (e.g., Chihiro of Spirited Away, Pippi Longstocking, and Dorothy Gale from The Wizard of Oz). Film noir is predicated on the opposite idea--that audiences like to identify with cynical, morally bankrupt, been-there done-thats. These roles are typically played by middle-aged men with five o'clock shadows (Humphry Bogart, Glenn Ford, Robert Mitchum). Most groups now resemble the stars of the noir genre, physically if not sartorially. Bands with "Girl" in their name are almost invariably these kinds of hairy and less attractive men. As a rule, then, males should avoid group names with "Girl."
― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Sunday, 20 March 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link
> As a rule, then, males should avoid group names with "Girl."
attn https://soundcloud.com/girlband
― Frozen CD, Sunday, 20 March 2016 17:46 (eight years ago) link
Girl Band are so completely fucking awesome I barely even consider their name, but fair point Ian.
― someone who just gets annoyed at bad tweets (stevie), Monday, 21 March 2016 00:31 (eight years ago) link
assumed 'Girl Band' as a name was a commentary of sorts on the vapidity of the term 'girl band' as used in rock writing or w/e, which is a little different to what Svenonius is talking about there I guess
― drive me to a girly rave (DJ Mencap), Monday, 21 March 2016 08:04 (eight years ago) link
Really giving four white guys who cover techno songs a lot of credit there
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:09 (eight years ago) link
don't feel strongly about their music either way but they seem bright enough guys
if you're implying that covering a Blawan track is racially problematic I'd suggest that's a bit of a reach
― drive me to a girly rave (DJ Mencap), Monday, 21 March 2016 13:21 (eight years ago) link
I was just saying they're dorks
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:22 (eight years ago) link
Sun City Girls >>>> most bands
― Wimmels, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:23 (eight years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, March 21, 2016 1:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
pvmic
― someone who just gets annoyed at bad tweets (stevie), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link
xp did you know there is an all-girl Sun City Girls cover band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJuLm9CJiQ
― drive me to a girly rave (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:54 (eight years ago) link
that svenonius argument about male bands not calling themselves "girls" is such bullshit! it boils down to "girls are pretty and boys are hairy and can never live up to the sexy implications of femininity"
obviously male bands should still not call themselves "girls" for plenty of other reasons
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 12:19 (eight years ago) link
To be fair, a band name that includes the word girls doesn't necessarily mean they're calling "themselves" girls if that makes any sense. Splitting hairs a bit but still.
― Evan, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link
no need to "be fair" with misappropriated yoni power imo
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 14:18 (eight years ago) link
Sorry, just meant "in some cases, perhaps" and worded badly.
― Evan, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 14:22 (eight years ago) link
there are enough words and/or morphemes to choose from that a choice of "girls" (or "women") is a deliberate and stupid one imoand yes, svenonius' reasoning is lame
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 14:26 (eight years ago) link
imo