tbh if i went to pontins for a family hol and there were people ATPing it up I would want a refund, going by the weird scenes of the countless ATPs I attended.
― "This is the worst part." (stevie), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link
dirty hippies doing balloons and engaging in spontaneous late night pots and pans drumming sessions not really part of the family holiday vibe
― ogmor, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:04 (eight years ago) link
This is a pretty great way of ensuring that no one ever buys tickets for this exploding comedy clown car of a festival ever again.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:12 (eight years ago) link
"Family holiday vibe" = getting shitfaced and abusive from 9am, according to one Butlins barperson.
― ledge, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
Sure, but at the moment it looks like the Stewart Lee one is going to come off and if it does it will be pretty great, so there's that.
xp
― schlep and back trio (anagram), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
― "This is the worst part." (stevie), Tuesday, March 15, 2016 5:33 PM (51 minutes ago)
Oh yeah, I mean, my statement was not "JFC I am allergic to families ew ew ew", but more along the lines of I would feel way more restricted b/c I don't want to fuck over these people's holidays, but I also want to have a good time at the festival I paid shitloads of money for, but I can see no way it wouldn't just end up a lose-lose situation.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:27 (eight years ago) link
families are a bit ew though
― ogmor, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link
ew are family
― François Pitchforkian (NickB), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link
But I would have said this after Jabberwocky, and yet...
I don't know. I don't want to dog on ATP, what they do is really hard and what they do, in as far as supporting these artists and this scene, is really important. If and when they stop doing these festivals the loss will be felt. But when they don't pay people, or attendees get ripped off, or the model just simply doesn't work anymore...
― "This is the worst part." (stevie), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 08:47 (eight years ago) link
I feel yr pain, I wish they'd done ATP about 30 years ago, and they could have (well, somebody could have)..
I have a bunch of recordings we did at various Pontins' from around 1978 to 1980, punk rock for the family audience wo yeah!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 09:57 (eight years ago) link
It's not hard to stop overreaching yrself when you go into administration. It is or should be hard to look people in the eye when you are intending to fleece them.
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 10:31 (eight years ago) link
To what extent is the model limited by the age of the audience? It was one thing getting Belle & Sebastian or Mogwai to curate a festival when their fanbase was in their early 20s or younger, because getting a chalet's worth of students together is going to be relatively easy. 20 years on and the line-up is still culled from bands of that generation (or a generation of two before that), and yeah your attendees might be wealthier but they also have kids and other holiday priorities, the barrier to entry seems a lot higher, especially if you have to get a chalet together rather than just going with your mate.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 12:43 (eight years ago) link
I think ageing audience is definitely a factor, though the Pontins model actually is probably pretty good for older audiences (real beds, kitchen facilities etc etc) and it's not *that* tough to get together four people for a smaller chalet. But a variety of the ageing issue is also why I think stevie is wrong when he says what they do, in as far as supporting these artists and this scene, is really important. Because even from the first ATP (the Bowlie featured mostly new or current bands iirc) there was a tendency toward putting on established/reformed/legacy bands, and over the years it just got more and more like that. They have rarely supported new UK bands.
I mean, ATP was basically the '00s for me, don't get me wrong. It was awesome fun and I got to see many cool things. But I don't think their demise is that big a loss, things end and new things come up to take their places. I just wish they could have gone out gracefully instead of becoming this huge embarrassment.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
So apparently the accommodation for DLJ in Manchester is in... Chester. WTF.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Thursday, 14 April 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link
lol amazing
― Neil S, Thursday, 14 April 2016 14:58 (eight years ago) link
Explain for Americans plz
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:04 (eight years ago) link
Chester is a completely separate place, about 40 miles away from Manchester
― Neil S, Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:05 (eight years ago) link
40 miles is just down the road in American money.
― Don't opine. Dead inside. (onimo), Thursday, 14 April 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
40 miles in the UK != 40 miles in the US
― mark e, Thursday, 14 April 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link
Next door neighbours for Canadians
― Odysseus, Thursday, 14 April 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link
Cale and This Heat out of Prestatyn already
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 15 April 2016 14:32 (eight years ago) link
lulz https://twitter.com/therealjohncale/status/720981278368133120
(This Heat had to pull cos Charles Hayward knacked his foot)
― reader, if you love him so much why don't you marry him? (DJ Mencap), Friday, 15 April 2016 14:43 (eight years ago) link
Rocky Erickson also pulled out.
― emil.y, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link
*Roky
https://twitter.com/SeldonMoore/status/721002938051792897https://twitter.com/barney_w/status/721003709778554880
That whole 'if Jabberwocky had gone ahead ATP wouldn't have survived afterwards' was probably a better option looking back.
― useless chamber, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link
Damn this is a car crash. I hope at least all the stand up gets bootlegged and makes extended reference to the situation
― Kevin Ageusia Smith (wins), Friday, 15 April 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Looking at who the second tweet was made by: if Lower Slaughter are there get them to do an impromptu chalet gig... they're fucking awesome!
― Doran, Friday, 15 April 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link
who oh who could have foreseen this???
― great sage equal to heaven (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 April 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
― Doran, Friday, April 15, 2016 6:21 PM (1 minute ago)
Not all of them are there. But I'm sure Barn could pull something together. They'd probably pull the age range of the performers down a fair bit.
― emil.y, Friday, 15 April 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1711/25842911544_c471c11b64_z.jpg
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Friday, 15 April 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link
Apparently Roky Erickson band have played/are currently playing, said this onstage: "We may not see 100% eye to eye with a certain organisation. It's not been resolved. This is for you."
― emil.y, Friday, 15 April 2016 23:15 (eight years ago) link
Seeing eye-to-eye with a two-headed dog
― real orgone kid (NickB), Friday, 15 April 2016 23:31 (eight years ago) link
Yeah they're doing it alright
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 15 April 2016 23:58 (eight years ago) link
Mick Collins from The Gories has just put on Twitter the DLJ weekend is cancelled, then apologised because it's supposed to be embargoed till tomorrow.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Sunday, 17 April 2016 19:47 (eight years ago) link
why do they keep going
― tay.ai fan (seandalai), Sunday, 17 April 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link
Tweet now deleted but not before some things were said.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Sunday, 17 April 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
fuuuuuuuuck
― Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Sunday, 17 April 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgRT3n0W8AAZTBo.jpg
― Jerry Lee Lewis: The Total Film-Maker (stevie), Sunday, 17 April 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
Statement from Drive Like Jehu:
http://t.co/zBPr58kIFi
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 18 April 2016 05:23 (eight years ago) link
Officially cancelled now per ATP's Facebook page.
― schlep and back trio (anagram), Monday, 18 April 2016 08:44 (eight years ago) link
Seems like Barry hasn't got round to telling all the artists yet:
https://twitter.com/plummyplummy/status/722027763503337473
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Monday, 18 April 2016 11:59 (eight years ago) link
Stuey Braithwaite is Cap'n Save-A-Barry:
https://twitter.com/plasmatron/status/722016152843612161
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Monday, 18 April 2016 12:09 (eight years ago) link
stuart braithwaite stares into the distance and imagines people morally inferior to himself
― ogmor, Monday, 18 April 2016 12:37 (eight years ago) link
*thoroughly audits self*
― Kevin Ageusia Smith (wins), Monday, 18 April 2016 13:46 (eight years ago) link
Whos being gleeful?
― Mark G, Monday, 18 April 2016 13:47 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/The405/status/721958317074026496
Found one.
― Mark G, Monday, 18 April 2016 13:48 (eight years ago) link
I would still buy an ATP ticket tomorrow just because it something I want to see in the world
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 18 April 2016 15:44 (eight years ago) link
There should be more people like you in the world, Whiney
Incidentally can I interest you in paying me $200 for this cool festival I'm putting on? All the cool bands are playing, it'll be cool
― Kevin Ageusia Smith (wins), Monday, 18 April 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link
http://inputerror.co.uk/2016/03/24/poor-barry-hogan/
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 07:40 (eight years ago) link
please keep clodhopping drivel like that on drownedinsound where it belongs thx
― reader, if you love him so much why don't you marry him? (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 08:59 (eight years ago) link