ATP (UK version) 2009 - who's in?

tbh if I had bought tickets to an ATP and arrived to discover there were families staying for traditional Pontins holidays I'd be fucking appalled. So it is probably better to move it, but still... YOU ARE BAD AT FESTIVALS STOP TRYING TO DO FESTIVALS.

I went on the Bruise Cruise and the boat was like 1/2 regular folks and it was p chill

It's hard enough to find a place to party when you're trying not to annoy other festival people too much. Would be so much worse with families too.

not against £35 day tickets to manchester festivals but it wouldn't be true atp and this remains a shitshow ofc

tbh if i went to pontins for a family hol and there were people ATPing it up I would want a refund, going by the weird scenes of the countless ATPs I attended.

dirty hippies doing balloons and engaging in spontaneous late night pots and pans drumming sessions not really part of the family holiday vibe

This is a pretty great way of ensuring that no one ever buys tickets for this exploding comedy clown car of a festival ever again.

"Family holiday vibe" = getting shitfaced and abusive from 9am, according to one Butlins barperson.

Sure, but at the moment it looks like the Stewart Lee one is going to come off and if it does it will be pretty great, so there's that.

xp

tbh if i went to pontins for a family hol and there were people ATPing it up I would want a refund, going by the weird scenes of the countless ATPs I attended.

― "This is the worst part." (stevie), Tuesday, March 15, 2016 5:33 PM (51 minutes ago)

Oh yeah, I mean, my statement was not "JFC I am allergic to families ew ew ew", but more along the lines of I would feel way more restricted b/c I don't want to fuck over these people's holidays, but I also want to have a good time at the festival I paid shitloads of money for, but I can see no way it wouldn't just end up a lose-lose situation.

families are a bit ew though

ew are family

This is a pretty great way of ensuring that no one ever buys tickets for this exploding comedy clown car of a festival ever again.

But I would have said this after Jabberwocky, and yet...

I don't know. I don't want to dog on ATP, what they do is really hard and what they do, in as far as supporting these artists and this scene, is really important. If and when they stop doing these festivals the loss will be felt. But when they don't pay people, or attendees get ripped off, or the model just simply doesn't work anymore...

I feel yr pain, I wish they'd done ATP about 30 years ago, and they could have (well, somebody could have)..

I have a bunch of recordings we did at various Pontins' from around 1978 to 1980, punk rock for the family audience wo yeah!

It's not hard to stop overreaching yrself when you go into administration. It is or should be hard to look people in the eye when you are intending to fleece them.

To what extent is the model limited by the age of the audience? It was one thing getting Belle & Sebastian or Mogwai to curate a festival when their fanbase was in their early 20s or younger, because getting a chalet's worth of students together is going to be relatively easy. 20 years on and the line-up is still culled from bands of that generation (or a generation of two before that), and yeah your attendees might be wealthier but they also have kids and other holiday priorities, the barrier to entry seems a lot higher, especially if you have to get a chalet together rather than just going with your mate.

I think ageing audience is definitely a factor, though the Pontins model actually is probably pretty good for older audiences (real beds, kitchen facilities etc etc) and it's not *that* tough to get together four people for a smaller chalet. But a variety of the ageing issue is also why I think stevie is wrong when he says what they do, in as far as supporting these artists and this scene, is really important. Because even from the first ATP (the Bowlie featured mostly new or current bands iirc) there was a tendency toward putting on established/reformed/legacy bands, and over the years it just got more and more like that. They have rarely supported new UK bands.

I mean, ATP was basically the '00s for me, don't get me wrong. It was awesome fun and I got to see many cool things. But I don't think their demise is that big a loss, things end and new things come up to take their places. I just wish they could have gone out gracefully instead of becoming this huge embarrassment.

So apparently the accommodation for DLJ in Manchester is in... Chester. WTF.

lol amazing

Explain for Americans plz

Chester is a completely separate place, about 40 miles away from Manchester

40 miles is just down the road in American money.

40 miles in the UK != 40 miles in the US

Next door neighbours for Canadians

Cale and This Heat out of Prestatyn already

lulz https://twitter.com/therealjohncale/status/720981278368133120

(This Heat had to pull cos Charles Hayward knacked his foot)

Rocky Erickson also pulled out.

*Roky

https://twitter.com/SeldonMoore/status/721002938051792897
https://twitter.com/barney_w/status/721003709778554880

That whole 'if Jabberwocky had gone ahead ATP wouldn't have survived afterwards' was probably a better option looking back.

Damn this is a car crash. I hope at least all the stand up gets bootlegged and makes extended reference to the situation

Looking at who the second tweet was made by: if Lower Slaughter are there get them to do an impromptu chalet gig... they're fucking awesome!

who oh who could have foreseen this???

Looking at who the second tweet was made by: if Lower Slaughter are there get them to do an impromptu chalet gig... they're fucking awesome!

― Doran, Friday, April 15, 2016 6:21 PM (1 minute ago)

Not all of them are there. But I'm sure Barn could pull something together. They'd probably pull the age range of the performers down a fair bit.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1711/25842911544_c471c11b64_z.jpg

Apparently Roky Erickson band have played/are currently playing, said this onstage: "We may not see 100% eye to eye with a certain organisation. It's not been resolved. This is for you."

Seeing eye-to-eye with a two-headed dog

Yeah they're doing it alright

Mick Collins from The Gories has just put on Twitter the DLJ weekend is cancelled, then apologised because it's supposed to be embargoed till tomorrow.

why do they keep going

Tweet now deleted but not before some things were said.

fuuuuuuuuck

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgRT3n0W8AAZTBo.jpg

Statement from Drive Like Jehu:

http://t.co/zBPr58kIFi

Officially cancelled now per ATP's Facebook page.

Seems like Barry hasn't got round to telling all the artists yet:

https://twitter.com/plummyplummy/status/722027763503337473

Stuey Braithwaite is Cap'n Save-A-Barry:

https://twitter.com/plasmatron/status/722016152843612161

stuart braithwaite stares into the distance and imagines people morally inferior to himself

*thoroughly audits self*

Whos being gleeful?

https://twitter.com/The405/status/721958317074026496

Found one.