IF IT'S NOT LOVE THEN IT'S THE POLL THAT WILL BRING US TOGETHER - ILM Artist Poll #72 - THE SMITHS - RESULTS THREAD

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33. SWEET AND TENDER HOOLIGAN (B-side of 'Sheila Take a Bow' 12")
415 points | 20 votes

TOO LOW

Not solid gold, imo

best line he ever wrote:

ET CETERA ET CETERA

not a favourite of mine, though i do often sing it to my cat

The dancefloor at my local indie disco used to go nuts to this, though iirc. me included.

in the midst of life we are in death etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

"Et-cet-traaaaaa... "

I don't have an awful lot to say about 'Well I Wonder', which has always been a neither-here-nor-there track for me (nice guitar sound, though) but 'Sweet and Tender Hooligan' is fucking awesome.

ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERAAAAAAAAAA ET CETERA ET CETERA

TOO LOW

― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, March 4, 2016 1:23 PM (11 minutes ago)

Turrican OTM about both! The intro to "Hooligan" always reminded me of Slash in a weird way.

(A very weird way, considering it was probably released earlier than anything by GnR.)

is the peel session version of this on Louder Than Bombs the only version of this that they recorded? I've never really understood exactly what recording a session for the peel showe entailed, did bands just go into a bbc studio and record it 'as live' in one take?

"et cetera et cetera" bit probably bitten from the fade of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQBCuxKDnmA

did bands just go into a bbc studio and record it 'as live' in one take?

No! Well, somebody might have but usually it was recorded as per any other recording session - multiple takes, overdubs etc - but with just one day to do it. I've heard of some bands using pre-recorded material but I imagine that was discouraged.

yeah loads of Peel Sessions stuff v clearly has overdubs, studio editing etc.

I always thought of Peel Sessions as a concerted counter to the miming of TotP. Oh, you have bands pretend to perform? Well, we have bands come in and rerecord their songs.

tbf sometimes bands do entirely new songs

Generally speaking it was a bit frowned upon to do stuff that you'd already recorded and released, unless you were radically re-arranging the material.

man, what a huge fucking loss with John Peel twelve years ago. Only 65. ridiculous

On TOTP you were apparently sent into the studio to re-record your track due to some silly BBC rule, but nobody ever did.

SATH was only ever a BBC session yeah.

highly entertaining how-Peel-sessions-are-made mini-doc here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfwf6JuwYDw

http://i.imgur.com/qzeeukd.jpg

32. HANDSOME DEVIL (B-side of 'Hand In Glove')
434 points | 21 votes | 1 first place vote

My no. 1, mainly for that fucking riff.

On TOTP you were apparently sent into the studio to re-record your track due to some silly BBC rule, but nobody ever did.

Not true, btw, a lot was re-recorded, often pretty ineptly.

I don't even know this song...?

xxp: One thing I've always wondered: are the various other 'sessions' made for other slots over the years (Jensen, Long, etc) generally made with much the same expectations and resources, etc?

#32: way, way, too low. Wow.

i voted for "handsome devil" bc i don't think i'll ever get "let me get my hands / on your mammary glands" out of my head

way too low incidentally

I don't even know this song...?

― Οὖτις, Friday, March 4, 2016

hands on mammary glands, Moz pretending to be horny, etc

I don't even know this song...?

what on earth

tune, obv. "I say, I say, I say-y-y-ay"

Moz sings like a person who has never seen and has no interest in mammary glands.

that's 100 percent the appeal

a boy in the bush is worth two in the hand

people who were bottle fed sing differently?

there's more to life than books you know
but not much more!

first one that I have thought was too low. a classic, and not particularly obscure track - it's on hatful of hollow isn't it?

mammary glands and there's more to life than books you know classic Morrissey!

I've never owned Hatful of Hollow what can I say, it didn't look interesting

xp

there's more to life than books you know
but not much more!

― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson)

otm

I've never owned Hatful of Hollow what can I say-a-ayyyay

and not particularly obscure track

it's a b-side that only appears on one compilation afaict

er wait was it even a b-side? Hatful wiki says it's just a peel session

i suppose im being solipsistic because hatful of hollow is the compilation for me, and probably my most played smiths release

"et cetera et cetera" bit probably bitten from the fade of this?

thank you everything for the jackie lee link. that song deserves a thread of its own.

One thing I've always wondered: are the various other 'sessions' made for other slots over the years (Jensen, Long, etc) generally made with much the same expectations and resources, etc?

Yes.

The placing of this one feels about right.

Catching up on this thing...randomly.

1. Early Smiths >>>>>>>> later Smiths (86-87).

2. I'm not sure why anyone would think the child's spite in "Suffer Little Children" is aimed at the parents. It always seemed obvious that it was aimed at Hindley/Brady, and possibly society at large for seeming to "forget" these children - leaving them on the moor.

3. I was the other #1 vote for "These Things Take Time." "Frankly, Mr. Shankly" is better than this song?!?! I fucking think not.

4. Funk may often be repetitive, but it usually interestingly. After about 3 minutes, "Barbarism" is not.

5. Not liking "Shakespeare's Sister" is bordering on disease.

6. So tired of people blathering on about so-called superior HOH versions. (All Morrissey's fault, TBF, because he was jealous of Marr's relationship with John Porter - see also the Steve Lillywhite remix of "Ask.")

7. "Reel Around the Fountain" is a perfect way to open the debut album.

8. It's "In the midst of life we are in DEBT." Lesser Smiths.

9. "Handsome Devil!!!" Yay!

There are two released versions of "Handsome Devil"--the Peel version on Hatful, and a concert version (the actual b-side recording) which finally landed on the deluxe The Sound of...